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wanna
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 Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:39:19 PM
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Wil, we be cool.
jpqqpj, Well put.
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See now if this shooter widda mullet guy woulda had a little smarts with him he'd have put a skeet trap on the porch of his camp and shot skeet when the boats came whizzin by. Being careful, of course, to always shoot in a safe direction and not across the bayou. Then when a boat comes by he coulda taken a sip of beer, foamed it all up in his mouth and let it dribble out like a rabid dog while justa grinnin his toofless grin with a gleam in his eye and loading up his next rounds for skeet shooting.
Fish on!
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greg1
Junior Member
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:44:48 PM
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Wil, throw me a beer would ya?
I've heard JetSkier's only buckle if your using lead, so you got watch for the fuzz. And on the fishing side its important to use a big gaff, but you have to keep it near the lips because they're catch and release of course.
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bigmf
Junior Member
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 1:01:08 PM
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Wednesday August 06, 2003
By Aaron Kuriloff
St. Bernard/Plaquemines bureau
Officials with ESPN confirmed Tuesday that they have video of the man who allegedly shot at professional bass fisherman Gary Klein during last weekend's CITGO Bassmasters Classic, but won't release the footage without a court order.
John Marie, a spokesman for the Plaquemines Parish Sheriff's Office, said Tuesday that authorities were seeking a subpoena for the tape, taken shortly after the shooting by a crew following Klein, and expected to have it today .
"They want to go through the legal process," Marie said.
Klein, 45, of Weatherford, Texas, earned $50,000 finishing second in the tournament, which is the tour championship. He told authorities Sunday that a shirtless man had fired what looked like a shotgun at his bass boat as he passed about 60 or 70 yards from a dock near the Camp Canal in Venice.
An ESPN camera team riding with Klein returned later in the day to tape the man, but network officials would not release the details of that tape Tuesday.
"I can confirm the existence of the tape," said George McNeilly, a spokesman for ESPN Outdoors. "If the local authorities want the tape and go through the proper channels, we will furnish them with the tape."
Deputies believe the footage includes close-ups of the suspected shooter on the dock, Marie said. Authorities are monitoring a suspect in the area, he said, but hope to confirm his identity on the tape before seeking an arrest warrant.
A question of boating etiquette may have spawned the shooting, authorities said. The incident occurred as Klein accelerated when his boat reached open water outside the canal, which local residents said is a no-wake zone. Several residents complained Tuesday that the area's frequent tournaments fill local waterways with vessels traveling too fast.
Charlie Clark, assistant chief law enforcement officer for the state Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, said that some waterways have official posted speed limits, as on roadways, established by parish governments, but few so-called no-wake zones are designed to protect private property.
"Most boats practice common courtesy," Clark said.
Though debates over boating etiquette have led to confrontations in the past, Marie said, the region had never seen a shooting incident before.
"Usually, it's people calling each other (names)," he said.
Aaron Kuriloff can be reached at akuriloff@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3836.
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Just my opinion
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jpggpj
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 3:55:21 PM
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I have to correct my post by saying I was meaning people who own camps that are NOT in a "LEGAL" NO WAKE ZONE. Those are the people I was addressing that should take the precautions to protect their investments. Sorry for not making sense....I do that sometimes.
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JOMOMERC
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 3:58:56 PM
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I'll say that I do understand the concerns of those who own camps on the public waterways that are on no wake zones. It would aggrevate me too to see my boat banging against the dock while someone flew by because of their lack of respect for your property. But you know what, when you bought the camp on the No Wake Zone, you should have spent the extra money to protect your investment, like a lift for your boat to have it out the water. Don't count on the public to protect your investment. Just because you buy land and build a camp doesn't mean the public has to change the way they drive on the water. Some canals in the area run for miles and have camps on both sides. Do you have any idea how long it would take to travel it if you idled the whole way.
I totally agree with this quote.
I have been fishing tournements in this state and others for 20 years I have been shot at on 7 different occasions here in my own state of louisiana. Never in any other state. On none of the 7 incidents was I in a legal no wake zone nor was I endangering anyone. I was also present when a fellow came into the landing at north pass with a couple of 22 bullets in him from an idiot that took some shots at him for not slowing down. This is not an isolated incident as some of you would have everybody believe. I here of at least 2 or 3 incidents every year in this area. It appalls me that some idiot will go buy a piece of property or camp on the water that people have been traveling for 30 plus years and decide that now because they own the property everyone has to slow down to an idle. If you think that it needs to be a no wake zone go to your friendly neighbor hood police jury and have them vote on it and place a proper legal sign at the beginning and end of the Zone then people will obey it.
As far as navigable water is concerned we the people of the state of louisiana need a representative who will step up and take this to the supreme court and get this clarified so that everyone can be safe and legal. But I doubt this will happen. We have tried writing articles in the sportsman, taking signatures to various different legislators. Everyone that we have talked to has declined to help. As it is now it doesn't matter whether the fisherman is right, wrong, legal, or illegal the local law will always take the land owners side. And it is usually to expensive to fight it even if the fisherman is right.
It seems to be ok for duck hunters to be able to dam off sections of the marsh so that they can hold the water in better for their purposes And Im a duck hunter too so i know its done every year like back in the brady area of the marsh, but the natural stream that they dammed we may have used for 20 or 30 years to get to one place or another. All of a sudden when the fisherman jumps the little dam he becomes a criminal.
We need to arrest these idiots that are shooting at or above people and make them pay to the fullest extent of the law. At or above, it shouldn't matter the fact that he pointed the weapon at the man and followed him with it for a period of time and then shot in his direction should be enough to provide intent. He should be arrested for attempted murder PERIOD. There is no cause or excuse for this type of behavior in this day or time.
And in the case of Harold Allen if the property wasn't posted and was navigable then he needs to sue who ever it was that told him to leave for his potential losses. The same goes for Gary klien and the airboat issue. The only way to stop these idiots is hit them in their pocket book.
JUST MY 02. CENTS WORTH
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graham
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 4:41:08 PM
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hey wil, what's this journalistic integrity stuff you speak of. never heard of that before.
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 5:04:48 PM
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dunno, sounded good, like a mullet licking contest
Wil Schober
Louisiana: America's Banana Republic.
Hold my beer and watch this!!
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 6:12:10 PM
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Ashamed,
Not trying to be cute but, for what reason is ESPN requesting a court order for the film of the IDIOT causing all this trouble.
ProFish
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JOMOMERC
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 6:31:03 PM
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If ordered to turn over the tape by a judge then the liability issue between ESPN and the idiot doesn't exist. If they volunteer it then they are liable if he's not the guy etc.
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 6:56:09 PM
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JOMOERC,
Thanks for the quick answer. Hope the guy with the air boat is next up " IDIOT # 2 " Being from here don't think I would swayed to leave an area.
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johnny loforte
Advanced Member
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 12:57:14 AM
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If you didn't want to get involved, why did you post?
"See the Marsh, Smell the Marsh, Feel the Marsh, BE the Marsh"
Marsh Maniactor,
Sound's like Kris might know a little more than You might think.
Have You ever heard of Freedom Of Speech? By the way, do You play Poker?
Wil, Good one bout the CLUSTERF***.
When You lose, don't lose the lesson.
SEA YA LATER, JOHNNY
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 08:15:33 AM
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Man, this is my first post on this forum and I'm kinda scared I might be attacked as I'm not a lawyer, not well read ect..just a humble fisherman. First of all let me start by saying I dont condone the actions of the shooter as I abide by all laws (well almost). But something has to be said about dangerous boaters. I myself have been almost run over by high speed bass boats more than once. And it seems that most boating accidents involve high speed boats. I've fished down camp canal since the 70's (showing my age) and I would'nt dream of going down that canal wide open or even on plane if that is what Mr. Klein did. That is about as dangerous as having a gun pointed at you. But only the tape will show the truth. I would rather read a headline that says (BOATER SHOT AT DURING BASSMASTER CLASSIC) than to read (PERSON KILLED IN BOATING ACCIDENT DURING CLASSIC). With a million dollars at stake some may take chances that they should'nt. As Klien said himself "second place sucks". Only the tape will tell the truth if we even get to see it. OK, yall can start aiming now just remember to lead and squeez
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BEST FISH
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 08:42:32 AM
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First off, I don't fish y'all area.
Second, I don't use my name cause I don't want some people dat visit dis site to see my catchs when I used to post.
The fella was wrong in pointin the gun at someone, or towards. Unless he was meanin to really use it!!!! He either was a bad shot, or just aggrivated.
But to me, what it all comes down too, is:
No one has respect anymore. And by some of the comments I have seen on here, it seems to be the trend.
No matter what, if you are within X number of feet from a docked bateau', you slow down with no wake. Period!!!!!
BUT, Remember this, If you are not from a paticular area, you better show respect for the Local People of dat area!!!!
You come here, you should show respect for the people here, be on your best behavier, and you will have no problems.
I see it often, city folks come fish here, My Area(where I am from and have fished all my life). I catch a speck, they are watchin with damn Binoculars, and come right on me, close. Well they are gona hear a ear full and have hooks thrown der way. Never would happen if they would show Respect for others.
Some here will throw a 3 oz. weight through der hull.
So if these Bass fisherman want to hold a tourny in an area, they ought to show more respect for the locals. I think Klein knew he screwed up, and dats why he wanted to drop it.
Personally I could care less if we had any tournys held here, or in La., of any kind. But I am sure someone makes money of of dem. But it should not be at the expense of someones bateau' being beat up along der dock, or a crabber bein run over by an ass bateau', sorry TypeO (bass)  in a bayou!
Da way I see it is: This Couion' with da gun, he should of used a 7' rod with a Calcutta and 10 lb. Power pro, and a Top Dog with nice new 2/0 Owner hooks. Give a good lead, and a good yank. No one could ever convict him from fishn from his dock!
Now, I know dis is not as long a read as some of the previous posts, but hey, I am just a pour Cajun man from Just South La.!!!
HERE PHISHY PHISHY!!!
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BayouBoy
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 09:17:22 AM
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I agree with you totally Best Fish. I don't want to make any assumptions, but if those who are saying people should take extra precautions to protect their property when they aren't in no wake zones, I would be willing to bet most of them do not have camps. I would also be willing to bet that they would be the first ones complaining if someone didn't slow down for their boat. I was taught that if you are passing a docked boat, you slow down to idle speed, it is common courtesy, plain and simple. Also, I think that the man who shot was wrong, but I think it is more than just the wake that bothered him. Because when the bass boats came by our camp they weren't creating any wake really, they were going to fast. These guys don't give a crap about anyone but themselves, as I previosly posted, I was almost run over by one of these guys.
Just my 2 cents.
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jpggpj
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 10:11:52 AM
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Well ya'll do make some sense but I still don't agree. If I live down a street where the speed limit is 25mph and a car comes down traveling at 25mph I don't have the right to say anything. Yeah sure I'd appreciate it if the car slows and shows respect for the neighborhood but if he wants to go 25mph then he has that right. I don't have a camp but my brother-in-law does. It's in Mississippi in Diamondhead. And you know what...he has a bulkhead and a boat lift and the jet skiers and joy riders fly by all day long. But no one says anything because it's not a no wake zone and mostly everyone took that into consideration when building their camps in the location they chose. Also understand I'm not talking about passing someone fishing or crabbing, I'm strictly talking about passing camps on the water. That's the issue I'm addressing since that is what caused this knucklehead to come out with a gun. It's not about respect it's about common sense. Just because you purchase land doesn't mean you can change the laws of that area to please yourself. I'm not trying to tick anyone off but it bothers me because I'm sure that the guy with the gun (which it wasn't his first time firing at someone) thought exactly the same way. His land his law. Sorry I just don't see it that way. That's my opinion, but you know what they say about opinions...................
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BayouBoy
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 10:32:56 AM
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You also have to take into account the size of the bayou, if it is a large waterway, then you can do nothing about the boat traffic. However, if it is a fairly small bayou, you should slow down. I can remember how different it was when I was a kid, and that was only about 10yrs or so ago. It was very unusual for people not to slow down on the bayou by our camp. Today it is unusual unless the person has been around for awhile to slow down. The times have changed, also I know this is going to piss some people off, but I think alot of people with boats today do not know how to run a boat. Examples: driving on the wrong side of the waterway, passing on the wrong side, and just flat out thinking they own the waterway. And what makes matters worse is when the people who do not know how to run a boat well get motors with 225hp on the back of their boat so they can fly.
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 10:35:48 AM
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“Inconsiderate” was the wrong term used to describe the airboat driver. It was not “without thought of others” that the airboat driver sprayed the Anglers/”Sportsmen”. It was with complete forethought and intention in order to help them understand the inconsiderate actions of the Anglers on Camp Canal.
Exactly what Mr. Klein was quoted as saying.. ”I couldn’t let any of that affect me. I was here to fish AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO”, was what the attitude of the Anglers seemed to be. They were not going to concern themselves with actual people living there, they were going to ignore everything except their “mission”.
Fishing is one thing but when you swarm like knats on an area where there are local residents and then proceed to treat their homes and property as though you have no regard, you cannot expect the locals to welcome you warmly.
Boats, docks, homes and camps were rocked and property owners were treated with complete disregard and disrespect. I guess that $200,000.00 prize tainted the Anglers vision of what was there before they arrived-----human beings and hard earned property.
Would the winners offer to pay for the damages they caused?
What is “Sportsmen –like conduct, anyway?
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wanna
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 10:54:28 AM
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This whole topic is really multifaceted. I guess you have to look at the "totality of the circumstances". Normallly a car doesn't leave a wake. But, how would you feel about that car going 25 mph down your street if Mother Nature had just dropped 6" of rain on your neighborhood and the street was flooded just enough that water was standing right up to your door stoop? You bought a house in a flood zone. You know this kinda thing is gonna happen some times. The speed limit is 25 mph. The driver isn't breaking any laws. Are you gonna be pissed because he's causing damage to your house with his wake? A boater is responsible for the damage caused by his wake. A driver is not.
I understand what jpggpj is saying about buying a camp in certain areas and it being a total PITA to slow down, start up, slow down, start up. I admit that I've found myself in some of these kinds of areas where no one seems to be around these loose strings of camps and I have on occassion just said "screw it".
Other areas, Pointe Fourchon for example, there is a wake zone that may or may not be legally posted. People have spent beaucoup bucks building nice places complete with bulkheads and boatlifts. I also know that they've had to spend even more on repairing those bulkheads partly because of the wakes of jet skis and boaters who refuse to look behind their boat. Some folks seem to think slow equates to no wake when what it really results in is maximum wake. They really need to learn how to turn around and LOOK. Other times the owners/guests of these camps may be in the process of loading or unloading their boat when Joe Speedster oe Wally Wakemaker comes by and rocks the boat. That's kinda rude and potentially dangerous.
I grew up learning that you slowed down for every boat that you passed where their were people fishing or whatever. These days as the number of people on the water is steadily increasing it gets harder and harder to get anywhere and still show this courtesy. As stated by a previous poster, the size of the body of water does make a difference, as does the size of the boat and several other factors. Mom and Pop pickin shrimp in their 16' bateau, I slow down. TeeJoe and Marie in their 32' shrimp boat? nah... I can barely wiggle that big boat.
Maybe all of this is the reason that Charlie Clark is pushing for "rules of the Road and other regulations.
More boats = more danger = more rules.
BudLight,
I understand your point and don't necessarily disagreee but surely you can't be saying that the operator of the airboat and/or Mr. ShooterMulletHead were right. Huh?
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wdkerek
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:09:59 AM
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wow!!!!! what a topic. it's overwhelmingly obvious that lots of people have lots opinions and frustrations that this topic has enabled them to discuss. it boils down to a simple UNDERSTANDING of morals. we are quickly becoming a society of AMORAL people. meaning as i understand, no concepts of morals. your either moral, immoral or amoral. when we have to get to the fine details of law to determine what is moral then we are screwed, period. an argument is just that. right and wrong have NOTHING to so with what's legal these days.
those of us just beginning to get involved with the legal world learn this the hard way, while those that have been involved with the law forever have lost sight of morality to win in court. in some ways they have too. that's what the systems demands of them to get paid.
that said even if the angler blew by there wide ass open, morrally the shooter should have had better judgement. even maybe drove to the landing and had a GENTLEMANS discussion of his actions. only a threat of life deserves you to threaten life. sorry a shot at someone or around someone is a threat. i've been shot out down there because i was the next guy that went buy.
we all seem to forget where we come from and what the real deal is,keeping you heart pure with your fellow man. some can't even have a simple dicussion without accusation. man.........
some things that can be counted just don't count. them things that count cannot often be counted
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:13:58 AM
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this is my last post on this topic (yeah right)
I'll add this, any jackass that shoots at or over me, is gonna get at least 15 rounds of 9mm coming straight back at him. And I am an expert shot.
Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
Wil Schober
Louisiana: America's Banana Republic.
Hold my beer and watch this!!
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greg1
Junior Member
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:21:55 AM
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Wil,
I understand the "hold my beer and watch this", but I don't understand the "Lousiana: America's Banana Republic" Its sounds pretty funny, but I think I'm just missing it. Thanks.
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jpggpj
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:39:34 AM
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Hey Wil, what if he shoot's you the bird?
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wanna
Advanced Member
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:47:41 AM
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Conspiracy theory...
Anyone notice the guy who won the Classic didn't report any incidents but the second and third place finishers both had problems w/ doodieheads? I wonder if someone paid a few folks to harass....... oh nevermind.
(JKJKJK)
3.5 days... no smokes, no deaths or injuries to any innocent bystanders..... yet!
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wdkerek
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 11:53:10 AM
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hey wanna,
you have to give up cigars too???????????? always a loop hole.....
just for arguments sake lmao
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JOMOMERC
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 12:09:22 PM
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lets set the record straight there seems to be alot of miss information making its way into this board.
I have known Gary Klein and several other of the pros for years and even have a cousin that fishes the tour. They are the most professional group of people you will ever meet. I heard the story straight from Gary and the Cameramans mouth when they were telling the bass officials. First there were no kids swimming in the canal as some are saying. Second he was on the opposite side of the canal from the guy at the camp. Third He did obey the No wake Zone he was even waited until he had passed what he thought was the last camp and was in open water when he took off. Think about it, everything that they do or say ends up on tape. Their whole survival and bassmasters depends on good press. Look at what Harold Allen did he left a canal that he probably had every right to fish because he was told too. Even though it may have cost him a million dollars, yes that is the estimated worth of winning the bassmasters classic. How many people do you know that would have left those 2 canals with a million dollars at stake? Not many i bet.
As far as fast boats causing accidents yes they do. But there are a lot of other things that cause them too. Such as, I have noticed in the spillway during crawfish season and around Venice that only 1 out every 8 to 10 boats has running lights on it. They can afford a 200k house but they can't afford 30 bucks for a set of running lights. But no one says anything about this. And when you complain to The DPWF is oh their locals we try not to mess with them. Bottom line is they probably have them but are too damn lazy to put them on.
But let a boat go by a camp to fast and everyone screams bloody murder. Please understand Most Fishermen dont have a problem with slowing down around a legal No Wake Zone, or kids swimming in the water, etc. But by the same token the camp owners need to have a little respect for the fishermen. Take some precautions get a lift or tie it so it can't bang against the dock. It doesn't take much then you won't have these issues. But just like the crawfishermen I will bet you they are just to damn lazy to do this.
BOTTOM LINE the only thing that justifys shooting at someone is if you or someone else is in danger. This guy nor the guys in the Air boats should see the light of day for at least 50 years. There was no excuse for this.
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