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hookiemonster
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 Posted - 01/25/2004 : 5:37:39 PM
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All the comments concerning oyster fisherman rewards are interesting to read and think about.But in another vein what does anyone out there think about the diversions? Are they working any at all,how do they affect our fishing? Is there a better way?!Why not just eliminate the levees altogether say 10 miles below New Orleans and let the Mississippi take over? And here is the 1 million dollar question.....why not get the Corps of Engineers out of the picture alltogether?It could save billions of dollars!Eliminate the MRGO!!
I don't think my grandchildren, who are just starting school,will enjoy anything like I did in the outdoors while growing up.And there kids will probably see a coast simillar to Mississippi(a great state but few wetlands).What can be done? How can we avoid more problems like the Oyster fiasco?I don't know for sure but times a wasting! What I see happening to our beloved marsh is frightening,losses at a rate that boggeles the mind .What can I do to help?
O.K. kick it around and see what comes up.
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Sandman1
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USA
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 7:05:31 PM
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The problem with getting rid of the levees is that it takes man a lot less time to tear something up than it takes for mother nature to build something. Removing the levees would probably start showing progress in 1000 years or so. The Corps of Engineers may not be the best, (or even any good), but they are all we have to fight erosion right now.
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hookiemonster
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 8:38:04 PM
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Maybe New Orleans should have been founded a 100 miles or so upstream.We would not have the problems that we face today,IE flooding,enormous cost for drainage,threat of evacuation for hurricanes.
Hindsight is always 20-20.
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2004 : 6:59:56 PM
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IF THE FRESH WATER DIVERSION PROJECTS ARE TO PUSH OUT THE SALTWATER FROM INTROUDING INTO THE SWAMP AREAS... WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO REBUILD THE LOST MARSH??? ALL INFO AND THOUGHTS WELCOME...
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loulan
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USA
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Posted - 03/09/2004 : 8:21:02 PM
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If I remember correctly every time the Bonne Carre spillway was opened , the next few years fishing,shrimping and crabbing improves in Lake Ponchatrain. Did anyone else get that correlation of the Lake. Some of the nicest shrimp we ever caught was under the power lines opposite the floodway. Why can't they let a small amount of river water enter the lake all the time that the river is high.
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Posted - 03/10/2004 : 12:16:17 PM
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high salinity in the western end of Lake Ponch is killing all the cypress trees between the lake and the railroad tracks in the LaBranche Wetlands off of I-10. Take a look at em especially right now they are budding. Drive south from I-10 on I-310 and watch the change in the color of the trees when you pass over the RR tracks, which are effectively a levee. Over half of the Cypress have died in the last 4 or 5 years. There is a plan for a diversion in St James Parish to let river water flow through the Maurepas swamp into Lake Maurepas. It's overdue.
Wil Schober
Louisiana: America's Banana Republic.
Hold my beer and watch this!!
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Lil Hog
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USA
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 1:48:54 PM
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My theory is this;
First ask your self where is the salt water coming from; sure, obviously the Gulf. With that said then why try and fight the battle of salt water intrusion in Lake Lery or anywhere else that far up river? That type of thinking only destroys marsh and ridges which thrive on a brackish water environment. To pump millions of gallons per minute 24/7/365 will destroy the existing environment only to hopefully grow a new type environment on what’s left. Over the years, before the levee system, river levels only overflowed the banks and flooded these areas in the spring during the high river seasons and the rest of the year allowed those areas to rejuvenate and utilize the nutrients dumped into the marshes during this process. Since this natural process is a part of history, to continue with the current diversion control process will ultimately render these areas to the mercy of Breton Sound.
My solution is to fight the intrusion from the outside in. It’s relatively cheap when considering the overall picture. Remove all the levee system from the Bohemia Management area south of Pointe ala Hache all the way to Batiste Colette, and replace it with a spillway gate like the Bonne Carre and open it all the way every spring and put it at a constant low flow year round. This will fight the salt water across the sound all the way to the Pearl River up through the Rigolets and even the MRGO and ultimately into Lake Pontratrain without damaging the fragile inland marshes of St Bernard and Plaquemines with those high flow rates. The same could be done south of Venice, a smaller version has already been built, there’s a new spillway just completed on the west side the river just above the Head of Passes. I’ll bet that thing does a world of improvement to that area without harming the inside marshlands. Think about it, it’s attacking the saltwater intrusion at the source. Perhaps even put 1 or 2 more like that or bigger.
The problem with these existing little diversions is the fresh water has to flow so hard it is doing so much damage on the North end and the fresh water realistically never reaches where the problem originates.
Just my illustrious opinion,
Lil Hog
The Yard Pass Fishing Team
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raquilo2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/29/2004 : 5:06:11 PM
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problem #1. been proven that extracting oil & gas beneath the surface is causing sinkage. nothing you can do about that. i like the diversions. but, not fast enough. erosion is too quick. i see it year after year. i fished black bay with my dad in the sixties. there was plenty of islands out there then, now, just about all gone. problem #2. hurricanes also erode fast. we can do nothing about them. they kick a$$.
it looks like we are finally going to get some fed money. but, who has the plan? i saw 1 plan where a series of tidal levees will be built across our coast to keep what we have left & maybe this with diversions will work.
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Posted - 03/29/2004 : 5:50:35 PM
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Been proven that extracting oil & gas beneath the surface is causing sinkage. nothing you can do about that. You can't be serious, I think your smarter than that.
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raquilo2
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USA
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Posted - 03/30/2004 : 08:02:41 AM
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joe, are you recommending we pump water back in? does oil have a greater density that water? if we pump water back in, will it screw up the oil or gas still in there?
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raquilo2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 08:34:26 AM
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also;
natural erosion has played a part. oil field activity & digging canals & wellheads in our marsh has played a part. there has to be many different plans to address all of the problems i have listed.
like; close the mrgo. build breakwaters. open more diversions. build islands & land. construct levees in the marsh with tidal flow thrus.
just to name a few.
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hookiemonster
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 09:18:28 AM
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And what better way to pay for all the necessary "fixes" than federal tax dollars.Oil is used nationwide,our sea food is enjoyed all over.Do we not deserve the same consideration as Florida and the Everglades.?
Our tax dollars are wasted studying foolish and trivial things.Paying farmers(and not always the small guys)to not raise things,Paying for lavish retirement programs for elected officials while we make do with Social Security.Let's get some of those billions to work on something useful!
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raquilo2
Advanced Member
USA
848 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2004 : 10:14:51 AM
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it looks like we may finally get some fed money. probably the only money ever to fix the problem.. but i am betting it will be wasted on studies & helping out the politically correct. the state might even put it on the side & wait for awhile to see if we forget about it & then spend it on something else...
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 10:26:25 AM
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I live not far from the coast and they will tell me in 10 years to build yourself a wharf and go fishing.
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raquilo2
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USA
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 10:27:42 AM
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this is the kind of re-routing that funds can go thru. just because we get some fed bucks for our coast doesn't mean they will spend it on that.
2/26/04-Louisiana’s top highway official is repeating his call for more funds for state roads, saying that higher fuel taxes are not the only way to bring in money, and suggesting ways to boost the amount of money applied to roads.
“There are many ways we can do this. We don’t have to go ‘Zap!’ to the [fuel] taxes,” Kam Movassaghi, secretary of the state Department of Transportation and Development told The Advocate.
Movassaghi said lawmakers have rerouted $120 million a year of DOTD’s money from the 20-cent-per-gallon state fuel tax to nonhighway programs, such as funding State Police and local transportation funds.
“If I get that $120 million, I’ll be great,” he said.
Movassaghi said he would like to see state truck-licensing fees, which generate about $40 million a year, go to DOTD and possibly even an increase in license-plate fees for all vehicles, to generate money for roads.
He said Louisiana is unique in that the sole source of state funding of highways is the fuel tax.
“This is the only state in the nation where we put all our eggs in one basket,” Movassaghi said.
Movassaghi has often said DOTD needs more money to address maintenance problems, and he has previously suggested raising fuel taxes, the newspaper reported.
Andy Kopplin, the governor’s chief of staff, said Gov. Kathleen Blanco has no plans to increase fuel taxes, shift where the fuel tax money goes or take any other action to change DOTD’s funding sources or levels.
He said Blanco wants the agency to first focus on making itself as efficient as it can be.
Instead, Kopplin told The Times-Picayune, the administration will use “innovative financing” to pay for road construction, such as borrowing against anticipated federal highway construction dollars, selling more bonds and possibly building some toll roads.
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2004 : 10:12:40 PM
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Does anyone here remember how the Lafitte/La Rose highwy was started ? The land was raised above the local swamp and marsh ...
It was built by the dredge barge at Oakville La. sucked from the river and transported by pipeline to the areas of need...How far is it from the Mississippi River to the the beginning of the Lafitte
La Rose highway...If they can do it for the highway department it can be done to reclaim the lost marsh land ... The newly reclaimed land would go to form a LOUISIANS STATE WILDLIFE PRESERVE ... State and Federal moneys will not benefit private land intrest...One boat on each side of the river working Plaqumine and St. Bernard Parishes...
COFFEEPOTBILL
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raquilo2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 08:22:43 AM
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great idea. i really wonder why the feds or state have not done anything to rebuild land yet. their thing seems to be the freshwater diversions & dumping rocks on the sides of the mrgo & probably elsewhere. they had some articles in the tp about building terraces in sw la awhile back for the ducks. why not for reclaiming marsh as well?
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 9:28:17 PM
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THE SAME BOATS THAT ARE USED TO KEEP THE PORT OF NEW ORLEANS DOCK SIDE DEEP ENUFF FOR THOSE BIG SHIPS ... THEY CAN BE USED TO RESTORE MARSH AND LEVES TO KEEP OUT THE SALT WATER INTRUSION ...THE LOST ISLANDS OFFSHORE CAN BE REPRODUCED IN THE SAME WAY...ALL THE INSHORE OIL IS GONE NOW WE CAN RECLAIM OUR LOST MARSHLAND...
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