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fishincrazy
Starting Member
USA
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 Posted - 05/05/2004 : 11:48:58 AM
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How can you call it fishing? I have seen this so called "sport" on T.V. and I think it should be outlawed. No sport at all.
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MSmith
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 11:56:40 AM
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What do you think about suba diving and Spear fishing? Is that fishing?
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fishincrazy
Starting Member
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 12:13:55 PM
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I have never witnessed a spear fishing trip I have no opinion. Bow hunting red fish is a slaughter. If you need proof go to the Marsh Masters web sit and look at the pics of a fish kill. I love the sport of fishing. It is what I live for, but if something is not done about bow hunting red fish our sport of red fishing is in grave danger in my opinion.
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MSmith
Average Member
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 12:44:09 PM
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Well spear fishing you have a few pullouts, lost fish but only cause of the water depth rememder it your life that on the line. But it’s a challenge, the fish can out swim you and you only have so must time and when you spear a good fish you will get a A$$ whooping.
But Bow fishing
Some say the light do not blind the fish now that just BULL s**t. We do not shoot under size fish, well Just look at your own Photos you Post. The so call gator Bow hunts I guess the lights do not blind the old gator either. Just he a man get a knight, put in your teeth, jump on the old gator and take em that way, make for a better sport would you think.
Edited by - msmith on 05/05/2004 12:58:12
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KJNDIVER
Senior Member
USA
482 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 2:17:39 PM
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but if something is not done about bow hunting red fish our sport of red fishing is in grave danger in my opinion.
Please explain to me how this will occur. So long as there is a 5 fish limit and minimum of 16 inches, whats the big deal? Thats the same as the rod and reel guys. Why arent they puttin it in grave danger?
Edited by - kjndiver on 05/05/2004 14:19:34 |
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Rich
Junior Member
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 2:23:48 PM
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Divide and conquer, just remember that.
To each his own, as long as the limits are observed.
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MSmith
Average Member
195 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 2:34:04 PM
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Well-said KJNDIVER But what a Math Lesson we had. Your point is valid one as long as you stay with in the limits of the law what difference does it make, But “here my gripe” Please keep the air boat out of my ponds and NO I WIL NOT LEASE MY DOCK TO ANY AIRBOAT TOUR OR BOWFISHING GROUP.
Well you edited your post Kjndiver but it was a good math lesson anyway..........
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fishincrazy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 4:12:37 PM
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KJNDIVER, the point I am trying to make is in my opinion (and you know the old saying about opinions)its not much of a sport when it comes to head lighting any animal be it fish, deer, gater what ever it may be. The odds of me catching my limit of red fish day in and day out seems much slimmer than if I go head lighting red fish.
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KJNDIVER
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 5:30:13 PM
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But that still doesnt explain how the fishery is in grave danger from bowfisherman.
Yes it may be your opinion that it is not "sporting". Sounds to me you have never tried it or else you would know that it does take some skill to accomplish this.
If you dont think its sporting, then dont do it. You have that choice. Why must those of a different opinion try and outlaw an activity that obviously others enjoy within the law? Now if laws are being broken, then that is an entirely different subject.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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nick092186
Average Member
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2004 : 07:59:37 AM
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What about all these people that go out to the rigs at night and fish under the lights?What would you call that?We have done that many of times an caught our limit in no time.
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wanna
Advanced Member
USA
1118 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2004 : 7:45:24 PM
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Don't forget flounder gigging AT NIGHT with a light.
Reading the posts of those who oppose bowfishing on this thread I noted that someone spoke against air boats in "their" ponds.
There's already a law against trespassing. No need to stop all of us because of trespassers.
The vast majority of people who oppose bowfishing have motivations unrelated to conservation. Noise from airboats and trewspassing seem to be major contributors to the anti's. Another thing that the anti's seem to have in common is that they've never participated.
I've been on trips where I was only able to shoot two fish. I've been on trips where I shot a limit. Same can be said for fishing w/ a rod and reel and there are plenty of pictures out there showing rod and reel fishermen standing around huge piles of fish. Just how much tuna can one family eat?
Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking.
*h. jackson browne* |
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marinetech43
Junior Member
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Posted - 05/07/2004 : 12:27:51 PM
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The light, while bowfishing, DOES NOT blind the fish. It is simply an illuminating device so the fish can be seen. I AM a bow FISHERMAN. It is most definitely a sport. It is not easy to arrow a fish and many more are shot at and missed than hit. If you have never experienced it in real life, you shouldn't put it down. Do you base all your opinions based on what you see on TV?
Ricky
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wanna
Advanced Member
USA
1118 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 3:46:20 PM
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Marinetech.... Please.... don't tell me... say it isn't so man....
You mean that EVERY deer that's killed isn't a 12 point with a 25" spread?
Oh well, I guess I won't start deer hunting after all. I mean, the only reason I was tempted was because every deer I see killed on T.V. is a wall hanger.
You ruined it for me man.
(Sorry. Had to do it. I'll be more civil now.)
Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking.
*h. jackson browne* |
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marinetech43
Junior Member
120 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 11:49:58 PM
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Sorry wanna,
I didn't mean to ruin it for ya. I used to beleive it, also. Until I started doing it myself. Took year of therapy to get over the trauma.
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Shoat
Junior Member
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:21:48 PM
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KjnDiver: You are not going to get an answer to your question. Your question deals with the facts of the situation. However, his opinon is not based on facts....he told us so himself....he has formed his opinon based upon his FEELINGS after watching a TV show.
Kinda like my wife does after watching the LifeTime Channel.
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KJNDIVER
Senior Member
USA
482 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2004 : 12:00:01 AM
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Yea, dont I know it. At first I had typed out this big explaination of how things are, MSmith referred to it in his post. I then edited my post to tone it back a bit hoping to bait him in and then, whammo, hit him with both barrels. But I guess he either was smart enough not to engage deep into the discussion, or he realized he was wrong. But for whatever reason, he sure didnt give an answer .
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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MSmith
Average Member
195 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2004 : 5:48:29 PM
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Come on Kjndiver see if you can do that math lesson again....... LOL
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HowwardHotard
New Member
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Posted - 05/15/2004 : 1:59:58 PM
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Who cares whether it is a sport or not? I bowfish and rod-n-reel because I like to do both. Also, I fish because I like to eat fish. I don't catch and release when doing either. I have a life time license that I paid for that allows me to keep a limit of fish each time I go out.
I obey the limits, the laws, and am courteous to other boaters and fishers. I think anyone who is opposed to this is just sour grapes because they are having trouble putting a limit in their own boat!
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perchjerker
New Member
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Posted - 05/16/2004 : 3:56:41 PM
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Frogs,gig,bright light,sounds unfair to me but I think it is LEGAL?!!
Bowfishing is legal for a reason because it is a valid sport with limits as with any other sport.Most young boys think girls are gross!Don't knock it until you try it!!
I was going to explain why we as sportsmen should not argue with each other dividing our group interest and fueling the anti-hunters\gunners but my IQ refuses to drop to that level.
Ethical hunters should stick together and support our future as one.I do not hunt ducks(too busy bow hunting!)but I would fight for duck hunters rights because maybe one day I would like to.Give anti-hunters a inch and they will take a mile.If you don't have enough common sense to see why bowfishing is a valid sport and should be supported then your tiny cranium does not support enough common sense to be allowed to leave the house!
You can not learn from books what experience in the outdoors can teach.
Ethics and respect for others is what defines the word sportsman.This is supposed to be "Sportsmans Paradise".Let's keep it that way!
If you don't think anti-hunters use our(sportsmen)comments as fuel just visit one of their web sites.
By the way I do love froggin'!
Can't we all just get along??
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johnc
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 6:01:29 PM
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I was against it when this was brought up a few months ago and nothing has given me reason to change. I hunt with a bow and I fish with a rod. I have bow fished for freshwater non game fish.
In the early '80s when our redfish stock was being depleted I became active with forming the GCCA(nowCCA) and working to enlist gamefish status. You would think that as a gamefish a red would not get the shaft...At this time there is no biological data to remove them as a target but with increased pressure from the growing number of "guide services" there could be a localized impact. Do you ever see one of their reports when the limit was not reached?
A hook released fish has a better chance of survival than one with a hole through it...
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johnc
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 6:02:44 PM
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I was against it when this was brought up a few months ago and nothing has given me reason to change. I hunt with a bow and I fish with a rod. I have bow fished for freshwater non game fish.
In the early '80s when our redfish stock was being depleted I became active with forming the GCCA(nowCCA) and working to enlist gamefish status. You would think that as a gamefish a red would not get the shaft...At this time there is no biological data to remove them as a target but with increased pressure from the growing number of "guide services" there could be a localized impact. Do you ever see one of their reports when the limit was not reached?
A hook released fish has a better chance of survival than one with a hole through it...
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KJNDIVER
Senior Member
USA
482 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 6:49:37 PM
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A hook released fish has a better chance of survival than one with a hole through it...
John,
While this may be true, it is somewhat misleading. As a diver, I have seen with my own eyes some fish that would prove this statement wrong. I have seen redfish, drum, snapper etc with everything from hooks hanging out of their mouths to having holes in them that look like they came from a shotgun and having prop gashes across their backs, and they were all still swimming around going about their business. Now, Im not saying everytime, but in some cases. I think fish, and redfish in particular are some very hardy fish and arent as delicate as many people think.
To show ya some proof, check out this thread that came up earlier this year.
http://www.rodnreel.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2644
Although it would be a shame for a fish to endure this, it does not necessarily mean death as the pictures well show. To give a better analysis, just because someone is shot doesnt mean that they will die. It depends on where they are shot and if any vital organs were injured. With the amount of bulk that most redfish have (which comes from the meat, which in turn is muscle) it would be similar to you or I taking a slug to the glutious maximus or upper thigh area. To boot, there are many thousands and thousands of people and animals that have taken bullets or other serious injury without death. Why should fish be any different ? Besides, I dont think that there are as many fish that get away from bowfishers as many people think. These arrows have barbs on them, the same kind of barb that keeps the fish on your hook. Does it happen? Yes. Does it happen to the extent that the majority of the un-informed public thinks? No.
I think what is a shock to people is that when looking at pics of a bowfishing trip, there is a lot of fish compared to what the average Joe brings home with maybe his and a buddys limit. But when you THINK about it, those boats can handle up to 6 people. That is 6 limits (30 fish) of fish to take home when the average rod and reel guys will only have 2-3 people in the boat and only 2-3 limits(10-15 fish).
If someone were to get together and bring 5 of their best buds along with them for a hook and line fishing trip. They each caught a 5 fish limit. Then took pictures of those fish and posted them on the internet and stated that they were caugt on rod and reel, would there still be the resentment and outrage the bowfishers are getting?
Now, if the well being and mistreating of fish is your concern, lets examine some simple, logical math on the matter:
Think about it, the average Joe would have at max 10 fish (2 fisherman per boat) per trip. Now pick a popular marina, how many boats are there on any given day (for arguments sake, lets say 50) Now thats 50 boats x 2 fisherman = 100 limits. (Thats 500 fish) Now lets say that not everyone can fish like me and only half of the people get limits. Thats still 250 fish in the box. Not to mention that there were countless others that may have been caught undersize, mishandled, deep hooked, etc. Then multiply that times how ever many marinas are all across the coast. Who is doing more damage? Those everyday recreational Joes or the very limited handful of bowfishing operators that may go out and get 40-50 fish per boat ?
My point being that so long as the limits are adhered to, what difference does it make how you got them so long as no laws were broken. I will have a hard time being convinced otherwise until someone comes forward with more of an arguement than "I dont like it, it should be outlawed". Get some logical, factual data to back up the statements up, and then lets talk.
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Do you ever see one of their reports when the limit was not reached?
Well, how many hook and line guide reports do you read when the limit was not reached? With the exception of Hackberry Rod & Gun, the reports of the off days are very few and far between (from the guides that is).
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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wanna
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 10:35:37 PM
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John,
If it's your opinion that "all of these guide service" are potentially harming the resource then maybe you should push for a limited entry for guide licenses.
Meanwhile I wasn't really clear from your post if you were referring to guide services in general or guide services who specifically cater to bowfishing.
It's been my experience that the primary target of most of the near-shore guide services who primarily use rod & reels is speckled trout.
Again, in my experience the total pressure put on trout far exceeds that put on redfish. Add up all the hours that our anglers specifically target which species and I'd bet that you find my assertion accurate.
Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking.
*h. jackson browne* |
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johnc
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2004 : 09:01:33 AM
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Hey wanna-ya got my quote wrong. It's not "all of these guide services", more correctly it's "guide services"-meaning the bowfishing operations.
A fish has to bite to get hooked...he only has to be visible to get shafted. At night they are in the shallows and more exposed.
As I stated,at present there is no biological data to amend the regulations. And yes I do believe a limited entry coastal bowfishing guide license would protect those already guiding and the resource as well.
Bass are a game fish. Can you shoot'em?
Redfish is a gamefish.Why can you shoot'em?
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wanna
Advanced Member
USA
1118 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2004 : 09:44:08 AM
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IMO, the regs differ because they frequent different waters... that is to say, bass are typically found in the shallows only when they're spawning. Their protective instincts won't let them leave the nest. Potential damage to the resource is greatly enhanced. Conversely redfish can be found year-round in the shallows and spawn in deeper waters. As has been shown repeatedly bowfishing has no measurable impact on the resource (so far).
Rabbits are a game animal. Deer are game animals.
Why is it legal for anyone to hunt rabbits with a crossbow but not deer?
Bream are a gamefish.
Why is it legal only in Toledo Bend to use a trap to catch Bream?
My bottom line is that laws exists to protect the resource from over harvesting. If there's no evidence of over harvest there should be no law restricting the activity. Last time I checked DWF's biologists are more interested in exploring possible overpopulation and stunted growth of redfish instead of overharvesting.
Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking.
*h. jackson browne* |
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Flash
New Member
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Posted - 06/30/2004 : 1:41:51 PM
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I'd have to say I'm against it. I believe it is an overly effective harvest means, rivaling that of gill nets. Rarely do you see a bowfishing rig come out of the marsh without a full limit...and they usually carrying a substantial boat load of people. I've done it and know it doesn't require much skill to do as long as your able bodied enough to draw that bow. With the effectiveness of it and its growing popularity, I can see where it might have an impact on the species. The only impact that I see now is in the shallow interior marsh where I fish. I can tell when the bowfisherman have been working an area I've been fishing. Getting redfish to bite is one thing, but not seeing them at all is another. If you figure just 3 boats with 6 people per boat fishing a section of marsh for 3 straight nights coming in with full limits, then you are taking 270 redfish out of that section of marsh. That is a pretty substantial number IMO. I doubt all the rod and reel fisherman put together could match that over a weekend in the same section of marsh. The marsh only supports a given number of fish, I would like some to be there when I go fishing on the limited opportunities I have.
However, I am a shallow water redfish junkie and do carry a biased opinion.
Edited by - Flash on 06/30/2004 13:44:07 |
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