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 Posted - 01/25/2005 : 3:20:54 PM
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I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A .270 WSM OR A .300 WSM FOR NEXT HUNTING SEASON. IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO/ PREFERENCES PLEASE DROP ME A LINE. ANY INFO IS MUCH APPRECIATED.
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MSmith
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 4:23:30 PM
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I really don't see any advantage in the 270, 7mm or the 300 other then cartage Length makes for a short action.
My beef would be the ammo, hard to find and bullet selection limited.
I have heard of a report that these cartages can sometimes swell when fired and become hard to eject.
I’ll stay with what works for me
In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal...
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SeaBiscuit
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 10:47:02 PM
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I looked at both the 270 WSM and 300 WSM and bought the 270WSM. Some very experienced deer and big game hunters I talked to were convinced the 300 WSM is the best all around caliber. The problems I was concerned with was the amount of kick and if you reduced it with a boss system the amount of noise. So, I bought the 270 WSM also because I wasn't going to go after anything bigger than white tail. Clearly the 300 WSM is better at bigger game because you can shoot a 180 grain bullet instead of the 150 grain in the 270 WSM.
Getting the bullets will be harder for the WSM cartridges but you will be able to find the rounds at Walmart and other stores, just not in a big selection. In retrospect the 270 would have been a good choice and there are a lot more choices on bullets.
I am happy with the 270 WSM. It has great balistics. Its shorter action is great improvement. And its a very flat and long round.
Some think the WSM's are too new. I think Winchester knows how to make a good bullet and have improved on their other rounds. The sacrifice is bullet selection but you can find what you want on the internet and most good gun stores.
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olcowboy
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USA
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 10:53:22 PM
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i own way too many guns and have been a pretty avid shooter for 40 yrs. it's my honest opinion that the short magnums are the best thing being sold today. the short actions are nice for saving a little weight but the real advantage is that the shorter/fatter powder charge burns more efficiently and consistently which equates to better accuracy than the older cartridges of the same caliber. if you look the balistic charts over, you'll see that the 7mmWSM and 300WSM shoot about the same as a 7mm rem and 300 win mag in terms of velocity and energy. the 270WSM, however is superior to even the weatherby 270mag in velocity.
also, i've hand loaded ammunition for years because i wasn't satisfied with the accuracy of most factory loaded ammo. i've got to give some credit to the fact that some of the premium ammo available today is way superior to the stuff of years past. my old rcbs stuff is beginning to collect rust.
due to the sharp angles you find on the wsm's neck, i reckon they might be a problem if you was to try to reload them a bunch but i've had no problems with them swelling in any action.
unless you plan on shooting the barrel out of a gun in short order with reloads, don't hesitate to get one of the wsm's. there great!
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C-Haz
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 5:01:36 PM
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I bought the 300wsm last year & love it. The rifle is a Winchester Coyote Model 70. The Coyote has a bull barrel and is a bit heavy for mountain climbing, but that fat barrel sure makes for good accuracy & cuts down on the recoil. As far as bullets, if you shop the reputable gun shops, you can find plenty of choices in many different loads. As olcowboy stated, efficient & consistent burn makes for good ballistics & accuracy.
Who's buyin?
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forthehalibut
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 4:05:38 PM
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When I looked at the reloading data for the WSSM’S & WSM’S vs. the standard loads, it appeared that the shorter version required a larger powder charge to equal the velocity of the standard ammunition. This would also create higher chamber pressure and higher temperature that would equate to faster barrel erosion.
At least this is how my brain processes the information.
On a side note: I was on ebay, and actually found some good shooting stuff. I got a good deal on a target stand and some hard to find targets. I realy like the hunting ones myself.
You may want to check it out: http://stores.ebay.com/north-american-products-inc
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Outsideallthetime
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 8:01:24 PM
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I just went through the same thought process for the calibers. I have been shooting sa 25-06 for years and in the Browning micro-medallion I own, it has earned the reputation as Dr. Death!
Today I went in the gun shop planning on buying the TC Encore Pro Hunter. I sighted several in this year for friends and family and it is super bad! Something like 42% recoil reduction in the stock design.......only problem was it is not going to be available in .300 WSM due to pressure considerations.
What was in the shop was a gorgeous Sako in .300 Weatherby Mag! Sold!! There is so much offered in ammunition these days in the .30 calibre lines from so many ammo manufacturers. Weatherby ammo used to be out of price range for so many, but now you can by Hornady (maybe) but Federal Premium (for sure) for about half the price!
By far the .300 magnums are my choice for larger game, be it short, win mag or Weatherby!
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 8:11:45 PM
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now, why is a 300 weatherby mag so much more accurate than a 300 winchester mag??? back many years ago i tried and tried by handloading to make a 300 winchester magnum as accurate at a 300 weatherby magnum, with weatherby factory ammo, but i could not do it!!!
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JackL
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USA
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 11:48:54 PM
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Ed, don't want to diss you, but, no reason a winmag will be less accurate than the Weatherby, just no logic there at all, had to be the rifle. I will admit, as Outside knows, that 30 cal mags are my pets of mine. Outside, I will tell you one thing about the over the counter ammo. The reason Weatherby ammo is more expensive is that it is all loaded by Norma, a Swedish firm. They load fine ammo, but, the important thing to know is that they do not have to follow SAAMI specs for chamber pressures like Federal and Remington, and all others choose to do. What does that mean, the Norma (Weatherby) loads are much hotter. You will not get true Weatherby performance unless you either buy Weatherby (Norma) ammo or handload, plain and simple. Besides, at the end of the day, what is another 75 cents a shot or so really mean on a hunt. Congrats on the new rifle, a good choice.
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ed mcintyre
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 11:58:31 PM
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well, jack we used 4 different model 70 winchester 300 winchester magnums and we never did get close to the groups of a 300 weatherby mag. we glassed stocks, made sure the barrell was free floating and we tried and tried!!! i still don't know what the magic is in a weatherby, but it does have some magic!!!
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Outsideallthetime
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 07:13:23 AM
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Thanks for the kind words guys, I can't wait to try her out and see what she'll do!
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 11:01:27 AM
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I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A .270 WSM OR A .300 WSM FOR NEXT HUNTING SEASON. IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO/ PREFERENCES PLEASE DROP ME A LINE. ANY INFO IS MUCH APPRECIATED.
Each and every few years the gun industry brings out the newest, bestest, and greatest smoke poles and ammo varations sence Davey Crocket's " OLD BETSY " This is some thing like stiring up and ant pile looking for sales $$$ ... Very few people ever wear out a gun... The gun & ammo people try and tell you that "OLD BETSY" is just not what she use to be and you can,t get by with out this new wonder stick $$$ shooting the greast new cartridge sence the invention of lead balls...$$$
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Outsideallthetime
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 11:14:29 AM
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Well, try shooting some of this new high pressure ammo thru some of those old smoke poles and see what you get! I would love to shoot that old Sweet Sixteen in 16 guage but I darn sure find it hard to find shells, plus I'd hate to turn the end of the barrell into something that looks like a broom!
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JD
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 12:03:33 AM
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Each and every few years the gun industry brings out the newest, bestest, and greatest smoke poles and ammo varations sence Davey Crocket's " OLD BETSY " This is some thing like stiring up and ant pile looking for sales $$$ ... Very few people ever wear out a gun... The gun & ammo people try and tell you that "OLD BETSY" is just not what she use to be and you can,t get by with out this new wonder stick $$$ shooting the greast new cartridge sence the invention of lead balls...$$$
COFFEEPOTBILL
How true.
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forthehalibut
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 01:21:49 AM
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That reminds me--what should I expect to pay to have my model 70 glassed, and whre is a good place to have that done? I live in the Denver, Co area.
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Glen
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USA
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:27:51 AM
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Halibut,
Why do you want to GLASS your M-70. I guess what you are talking about is glassbed a stock for accuracy. There are a lot of thing one can do to make a rifle shoot better. I would start with a trigger job first. The only (most)of the guns I saw that needed bedding were older stocks that were warped. The factory bed usually hold up for at lease 10 yrs. Almost every new gun I see now could use some fine tuning except some of your more expensive ones. NO I am not talking about lighter trigger pull. I am talking about polishing and adjusting, 3to4# trigger pull mimium on hunting guns. Just my $.02 G
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 1:06:24 PM
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HAL
CHECK IF YOU HAVE A FREE FLOATING BARREL ...
SEE IF YOU CAN PASS A DOLLAR BILL BETWEEN THE STOCK AND THE BARREL ... THATS FROM THR FOREND TO DA CHAMBER AREA ... 
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Glen
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 2:16:59 PM
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A properly beded barrel will shoot better than a floated barrel
a floated barrel will shoot better than a poorly beded or warped stock on MOST guns. G
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 01:57:42 AM
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now, i wish that everyone look at something that glenn said about trigger pull. i shot pistol competition for 6 years, and we had to have at least 2.5 lbs of trigger pull on our wad guns and .22 caliber pistols, and we had to have, i think 4lbs on our leg guns. most rack grade rifles and pistols have a trigger pull of about 7 to 8 pounds. so a lighter trigger pull will help a bunch of folks make a better shot!!! my ruger model 77 has a trigger pull of 1.5lbs. i would not recommend that trigger weight for those who are not used to it, because you will end up breaking the shot too quick!!! custom triggers are available, and they will help many folks who desire to make that long shot!!! now as to optics for your rifle, the purchase of a rifle may be what you want as to an investment, the purchase of optics will not be an investment, but a tool that will aid you in making the perfect shot at the perfect animal!!! today it is not uncommon for someone to pay three to four times the price of rifle for a scope!!! buy the best scope that you can!!! ed
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Glen
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 06:08:33 AM
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Very good Ed. I agree. G
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Chris V
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Posted - 01/10/2007 : 08:40:40 AM
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Hal,
Unless it is shooting inconsistently or stringing I would not bother but would also suggest having the trigger worked on.
You can also look into buying a composit stock for it. As for gunsmiths, look for one that is authorized to do factory repairs as you will probably have better luck. Try the yellow pages.
I have a few friends in the area and will check with them.
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rmestayer
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 09:31:23 AM
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Anyone know where you can find a 4570 rifle??
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jwbryce
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 1:26:09 PM
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| I have seen 45-70's in almost all gun shops here in MS. All are crack barrel and have exposed hammers. MS allows the 45-70 to bu used during MZ season, so it has become very popular and the price seems to be dropping some. Depending on stock/finish and barrel length. Gun shows have had them all over. Shop it well. The trigger usually benefits from polishing as well. I have been thinking about getting one myself, but my MZ does very well. I usually end up killing more annually with my MZ than with my 7mag. Although, this year I have scored 1 with the mz, 7 mag, and my super redhawk. Heading to pomme de terre wednesday for a 4 day hunt with the mz. Hopefully more blood on the ground. |
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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 7:36:27 PM
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Anyone know where you can find a 4570 rifle??
Some one has them in shotgun news 11.5mm in model 98 mausers that were convereted to shoot 45/70 gov...
Try the marlin gun company they have the trapper model in 45/70 level action ...
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Outsideallthetime
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 7:58:37 PM
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The 45-70's have been available in MS for about $249. There is the Buffalo Classic....long barrel version and the Shorter or Handi-rifle. I have seen loads of them now used or 'previously owned' in the local pawn and gun shops. I have seen some patern great and some spray bullets all over the place! I'll help with any more info if I can! Several other calibers are being used during the muzzleloader season as well.......
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NAU-SEA
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 8:09:52 PM
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Guns N Ammo in Moss Point (228)-475-4700 had the best price I found on a 45-70 crack barrel around Christmas (can't remember the exact price, I was helping my bosses wife shop for him, but they were the cheapest). It was a NEF synthetic. As far as the original topic, unless you are dead set on a short magnum, the plain ole .270 (with a 150 gr. bullet) does an awesome job on whitetails from point blank to well over 200 yards. And I might add, with out much kick (less FLINCH!!) I, personally, have taken deer over 300 yards with a Remington 700 ADL. I can't say I like 130 grain ballistic tips, had deer run off with heart shots, found them, but still had to trail them. Seems like they just drop with a 150. I know a lot of people are not a big fan of core-lokts, but they do the trick out of my gun. But my cousin bought a .270 wsm, and he loves it. So, to each their own, and good luck with whatever you get.
John
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