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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  07:09:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Doc, I hate to say it, but you are wasting your time. You are dealing with hard-core, coolaid-guzzling, Pelosites. They are convinced that the government knows what is best for them, and are willing to hand over their destiny to bureaucrats, and wait in line for their rations.

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marco
Average Member

USA
303 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  11:47:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Lookidat,

Thanks for the name calling. Pelosites? Lol.... If you want to reduce this debate to that, you can do down that path.

I never said I wanted the government to take care of me. Can you quote a posting that I made that stated that?

I want my health care insurance and providers to be driven by free market competition - not government and not monopolized or manipulated by corporate america. I also want as many people as possible to pay for their OWN medical expenses.

It was you who said that the Affordable Care Act was strictly a Democratic idea when in fact it was the Republicans who authored this bill not once but twice.

"There are a few aspects of Obamacare that take a stab at solving problems, however, this program was written by democratic bureaucrats, who have no idea how they are going to make it work. Does the system need to be fixed? Of course, but Obamacare is like trying to repair a broken arm by amputating a leg! It aint even in the ballpark!"

Regarding @drreb, it appears to me that he needs someone to look at his practice and recommend ways to reduce his operating expenses and eliminate inefficient processes and procedures. My personal physician has been in practice for 25+ years. He was weathered many economic conditions. We talk politics every once in a while and he doesn't see the upcoming health care act as a problem for him. He is part of a multi-physician practice where they share the cost of the administrative staff, labs, office space, and use their group purchasing ability to get better pricing on the many things they need to run their business. He also uses automation a lot where it makes sense.

There are a lot physicians and other professionals out there who are good at their trade but running the business part of it is not their thing. That could be the case for drreb.

Regarding the shrimpers in our neck of woods not being able to sustain their business, it is not the government's fault. Government isn't importing cheap foreign shrimp that is undercutting our hard working shrimpers. Corporate America is. The list of imported goods that is undercutting nationally or locally produced products keeps growing longer and longer putting more and more Americans and American businesses out of work. This is the main reason why corporate america outsources and produces so much in third world countries. Not only can they get cheap labor but the resulting produced goods can undercut what we produce here. Again, it isn't the US government that is opening up factories and farms in other countries. It is corporate america. A huge trade deficit is not just a number, it is lost jobs and businesses that close down.



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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  1:12:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You do realize that corporate America is what built America, right? You know, Henry Ford, G.E., AT&T, all of those horrible greedy corporations? As I said earlier, a VERY LARGE reason for the industry going overseas is due to greed, not of the corporations, but of the american worker, and the trade unions. When Americans decided that they should be paid $40.00 an hour to do a repetitive, simple task on an assembly line, and then the union told them that they (the union) would make sure they got that, for a slight donation of course, then these "greedy corporations" naturally started looking at their options. I'm sure you have heard of the Golden Rule, right? That is, he with the gold, makes the rules? Well like it of not, it is a fact. Is it fair? Well maybe not, but show me in the constitution where it guarantees you that life is fair. On the other hand, if I use my time, money, and energy to build a business, and I agree to hire you to work in it, how does that endow you with any right whatsoever to decide how I run MY BUSINESS? When I hire you, I agree to pay you to produce a product or service. If you do so, and I pay you the agreed upon price, the contract is fulfilled. If you don't think I am paying you well enough, or treating you fairly, hey, isn't this a great country; you have the right to take your services elsewhere!

The democrats play to their constituents fears by telling them over and over that they are being victimized by the big bad corporate republicans, and only they, the democrats, will treat you "fairly". And by that, they mean, take away from those"rich" republicans, and give you what you "deserve". It seems that you have bought into this victim mentality wholeheartedly.

I believe I conceded early on that Obamacare was based on RomneyCare, and that still don't make it right. I think we need to do something, but this ain't it!

So finally, I am incompetent in the way that I handle my finances, so that's why I pay so much in taxes? But if I were to use all of the questionable loopholes to avoid them, wouldn't I become one of those "greedy corporations"? And the Doc doesn't know how to run his office, and needs to hire someone to help him do what he has been doing all of his adult life? Well, aren't you a wall street wizard! You seem to have all the answers, as long as it involves those nasty "haves" giving up everything to the "have-nots". For you (a banker as I recall) to presume to tell a physician how to run his business, and tell him everything he is doing wrong based on a couple of blog exchanges, is the ultimate example of democratic arrogance, and perfectly illustrates the mind-set of Obama and Pelosi of "We know what is best for you".
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drreb
Advanced Member

USA
902 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  6:51:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marco, are you for real? Now you claim that physicians who have been practicing medicine for the last 35 yrs, through good times and bad times, don`t know how to run an office? BTW, I never got an answer to my question about what you do for a living. What could it be that you do that is not effected by price controls, increase regulations, increasing costs, and tax codes? Wonder what you do for a living> I`m going to gues that you don`t make a payroll, pay SS tax for employees, and follow the miriad of new sanction and controls put in place by our admin. Anyway, yes I know how to run a medical practice and have done quite well doing so in the past. I`ll ask you to solve a problem for me since you understand employee salaries and benifits so well. Remember the $19.00 physical exam I mentioned that takes 45 min to do? Well, let`s just say I have 5 employees working for me(I listed them before) and they all make minimum wage(they make more), have health insurance, and other benifits. Would you like to tell me where and how to divide up the $19.00. I won`t even discuss rent, utilities, and maybe a bit of pay for me(because I work there also).
Tell me how you would do that and please tell me what you do for a living. I think we can get an idea about how you think from these 2 question. You want cheaper health care? Well, If this act passes you are going to have it, in spades. BTW, there is no such thing as quality health care/cheap health care at the same time. Believe it or not, you will get exactly what you pay for.
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drreb
Advanced Member

USA
902 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2012 :  10:17:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marco, zzydeco...come on now people, tell me about your jobs. Tell me about you experience with payrolls, withholding, liability insurance, health insurance, office overhead stuff, you know. Just trying to find out how much experience you have had actually dealing with the things this new ACA deals with. Tell me a bit about compliance with HIPPA, JCAH, HHS, and all those other agencies that are supposed to be helpful in healthcare. EHR mandates all electronic medical offices but forgets to mention the $60-$100K needed to install and train staff to use it, much less the ongoing expense involved to maintain the stuff. You just might want to check with your buddy, you know(the one who has no problem with overhead), and see how he plans to do all this by the end of the year(or pay a penalty). Come on now, lets hear from you!
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marco
Average Member

USA
303 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2012 :  2:24:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@drreb, I am a project manager and an information systems analyst. I am not a loan officer or a banker even though I work for a bank. I have also done consulting work with a partner in the private sector for law enforcement, government, marine industry, and various medical service providers. I've always worked in industries that were heavily regulated so nothing you mentioned is new to me. My wife has been working for doctors for 15+ years.

If your practice is not going well, then maybe you should consult with someone in your same field who is doing well. Re-read my previous post. Isn't that what we do here on this fishing site? We seek and share fishing knowledge?

My wife's current doctor hates accounting and tracking the business expenses/income so he hires someone to do that work for him and give him advice. He is very successful. This is what I meant when I said some professionals are good at their trade but managing the books isn't their thing.

It was you who brought up the problems of your practice and somehow blamed government for it. I've analyzed many business situations to know that not all business models will always work all of the time. You simply have to adopt and change. Some professionals will survive and some will not. As Lookidat stated, life isn't fair.

@Lookidat, Lets agree to disagree. I believe the majority of the exodus of US jobs are because of corporate greed. I see it in my field all of the time when H1B1 visa workers from India replace information technology workers who don't even belong to unions. These workers take on the same jobs of Americans for a fraction of the cost. It may be OK with you for a CEO to increase his compensation from generous to outrageous at the expense of American workers. The consequences don't stop there because American companies that do hire Americans and legal residents can't compete with these outsourced companies because they are unfairly undercut. And the situation just gets worst and worst for this country as we have shifted from an industrial nation to a service oriented nation.

I see corporate greed happening as we speak right now at my home. I went to several big box stores (Home depot and Lowes) and local businesses to get someone to replace the roof on my home. I hired a local business to do the job because I wanted to help a local company.

After speaking to the American owners and signed the deal, they showed up earlier this week with a crew of all foreign (spanish workers). All of them can barely speak English and are probably all illegals. My son asked "Why are they all Mexican workers and no Americans?"

Can you, Lookidat, answer that question for me?

Can you tell me the business decision behind not hiring any American workers?


This is the final post for me on this topic. Lets agree to disagree. We will probably just go around in circles at this point. You guys can continue beating the dead horse. I don't want to see this debate slip and slide into personal insults and so on. I've gotten a lot of fishing advice from folks on this site and want to keep it that way. It just how I am.

Tomorrow will be great weather and I am ready to go fishing!!!

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drreb
Advanced Member

USA
902 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2012 :  3:51:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Suits me marco. BTW, I have one of the largest healthcre systems in the US supporting me in the business side of the practice. But notice that I didn`t tell you that you didn`t understand banking jst because someone not known to you changed the accounting to "mark to market" and caused a bunch of money shifting that actally benifited no one. Things are changing and changing rapidly, don`t you agree? Wewill all have to live with this healthcare mess pretty soon. Hey, I can get healthcare OK. It`s the rest of the US that concerns me.
Now...lets go fishing this summer and have a good time. I too, hate to get serious on a sports website. I`llprobably see you in Empire or Buras this summer. If you see a blue and whit Avenger 25` 6" Coastal center console looking for some fish come help! Peace. doc
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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  1:19:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
marco, we do agree on several points. I do believe that corporate greed is rampant, and as to your scenario with the Hispanic crew, that is probably a small businessman simply trying to keep his overhead down. It ain't right, but it is a fact of life. I also believe that Americans have way too high an opinion of themselves when it comes to work. They expect to get top dollar the first day on the job, and have a distorted work ethic. I have a brother who worked offshore for 25 years, and when the economy got tough a few years back, he was laid off for about a year. He refused to get another job, stating that he would rather collect unemployment if he couldn't make $40.00 an hour!

I sincerely hope that this time next year, we are having the reverse image of this debate, and you can tell me how stupid I was to elect that republican president!

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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member

USA
3932 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  9:30:34 PM  Show Profile  Send Coffeepot Bill a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
There is nothing wrong with the man in Washington D.C. ... He has a great value to our nation ...Why not sent him to be the first man on mars... We have lots of used rocket parts and old space capsules to use on him ...

p.s. Twenty five secrete service agents two jets for fifteen fiends of his children to go on spring break in Mexico ... They could not find a clean beach for swimming here on the Gulf Coast ...




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Coffeepot Bill
Advanced Member

USA
3932 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2012 :  12:42:38 PM  Show Profile  Send Coffeepot Bill a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
ANYONE BUT THAT 1/2 & 1/2 AFRICAN / PHILIPPIANS GUY ...PRAY FOR THE RESURRECTION OF THE GIPPER ...




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JOHN C
Advanced Member

USA
2665 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2012 :  10:58:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re-electing the 1/2 1/2 would be similar to the Titanic backing up and hitting the same iceberg!!!!! John Castelluccio, Jr.

OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999
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Chris V
Senior Member

420 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2012 :  11:07:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lets hope Romney dosen't blow it in the next 5 months. He needs to pick a running mate with some integrity. As it is Obama will be tough to beat. Expect him to pass more controversial legislation to gain votes.

Chris
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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2012 :  1:26:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, I've been out of pocket for awhile, spent a couple of weeks in Alaska, great trip!

As to this topic, I agree that Obama is going to stop at nothing to get elected, including trying to give statehood to Puerto Rico! I would love to see Romney pick Condoleeza as his running mate, the liberals won't know whether to wind their watch or pick their nose! If there is any bright spot at this time, I have seen several stories by MSNBC and even CNN that were ALMOST critical of Obama. Now if Romney can just get Trump to keep his mouth shut, and just sign the checks, he may have a chance!

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hookiemonster
Advanced Member

USA
927 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2012 :  6:29:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To answer the question without a lot of garbage .....If (thats IF) I had voted for him the first I would not vote to re-elect him. However,I did not vote for him then and I certainly would not vote for him now !!!!!!!!!!

Henry Bonck
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marco
Average Member

USA
303 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2012 :  8:28:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lookidat, don't worry, Romney is going to blow it. Republicans are good at that. Lol.... If he really wants to win the circus vote, he should pick Sarah Palin. On the other hand, if he really wants a literal landslide, he should pick Donald Trump.

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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2012 :  07:42:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Marco, waddya think of the Wisconsin vote? It looks to me like the public is gettin tired of the union thugs extorting money from them, and fired a warning shot. This can't be good for Obama! You will be happy to know that I just spent two weeks in Alaska, and couldn't find a single person who had anything good to say about Sarah. I believe she has had her 15 minutes, and needs to be sucking up to someone at FOX to keep steady employment.

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marco
Average Member

USA
303 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2012 :  08:26:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lookidat, I think some unions have gotten overzealous with representing workers and have hurt the companies and/or government entities that employ them. These thugs need to go live in China or India (slave labor places) and realize how good they have it here. There are some unions that are moderate and provide a fair representation for workers and are not bad. But I am with you on getting the union thugs out of the way.

Sarah Palin is another story....


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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2012 :  09:45:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
marco, I admit that initially I liked Sarah, but the more she talks, the weirder she gets. I know you probably think that I follow FOX blindly, but I really don't. As I mentioned earlier, I have noticed recently that even CNN and MSNBC, who are rabidly liberal, are becoming more critical of Obama, and therefore, in my eyes, they may be trying to save any credibility they may have as a news service. Fox, on the other hand, refuses to acknowledge ANYTHING good about Obama. While I believe he is a lying snake-oil salesman, and has no other goal other than to remain in power, he has done a few decent things, that really should have crossed all political lines. Of course they are overshadowed by his his egotistical so.......t agenda, but then even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. All I'm saying is, if you are going to represent yourself as a news agency, at least make an effort to remain impartial, and FOX ain't even making that effort. This brings up a question I would ask of the folks here: Is there ANY news agency/network that still maintains an legitimate level of impartiality, and if so, who is it? (Hint: FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ABC ARE NOT EVEN IN CONSIDERATION)

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zzydeco
Senior Member

USA
522 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2012 :  2:05:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I leave for a few weeks and this turns into a love fest. The result in Wisconsin is Money Rules. 39 millions vs 3.9 millions. 24/7 propangada and lies. if you repeat a lie enough its starts to sound truthful. Faux news is the prime example of this. The best part of the Supreme court decision that created this madness is that we are going to be force to correct it or this democracy will fail.

Have you all seen VEEP on HBO? I think they channeling what the SaraH Palin vice presidency would have been.

I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long.
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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2012 :  4:38:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
zzydeco, I don't get HBO so I haven't seen the show. But I gotta say that her and McCain couldn't have done any worse than what the current administration, has done. At least with them, I think we would have a better standing in the international community, and more confidence on the part of industry in the country. Like it or not the so-called "1%s" are the ones who generate industry and business, and that employs the majority of the 99%s, that is if they can manage to get to work on time between protests, and collecting their welfare checks. No, I am not saying that 99%s are all worthless, I am saying that if those protesting were to put their energies into something more constructive, they would be better off. And it is documented fact that every time they have one of their protests. the drug and crime rate go up dramatically. If it ain't the 99%s doing it, they sure are hanging out with a bad crowd. The democrats have done a great job of convincing them that their failure to have the American dream is the fault of the 1% that worked their a$$e$ off, to get somewhere, and now they somehow owe the 99% for their success. Yesterday was a clear message that the people are tired of being abused and bullied by unions, and they want everyone to earn what they get or not. Of course the unions don't talk about the months of negotiations that went on when the Governor tried to get them to work out a reasonable compromise, and they refused, confident that they, the union leaders should run the government, not the duly elected governor of the state. Only when he had no choice, did he take away their negotiating authority. Did you know that prior to that, the teachers and all the other public employees were REQUIRED to have their union dues taken out of their checks, BEFORE THEY EVEN GOT THEM! THEY HAD NO CHOICE! Since the actions of Walker, the payment of union dues is optional, and guess what? THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS HAVE QUIT PAYING THEIR DUES! Sounds to me like Walker liberated an oppressed people! By the way, here is an idea. Why don't you research what the top union leaders in this country make, including all of the perks, not to mention what they skim off of illegal scams. I bet you will find that they make as much as, or more than, the people that are being targeted by the protests. Guess the love fest is over........

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zzydeco
Senior Member

USA
522 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2012 :  07:38:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you reached the stereotype limit by the third sentence. I'm happy that you have such much faith in the 1%. This country was not built by them, it was built by the small businesses and the middle class. The 1% do not produce anything of value. They are not job creators. I bet the Bain capital has got rid of more jobs that they ever created. They generate wealth by stripping companies of assets and placing them in bankrupcy after stealing all cash they can carry. Any time you can bankrupt a company and steal hundred of millions in assets you are not creating anything but dispair for the ones that invested their time and sweat to create it. Sarah Palin is just a ignorant pair of legs like all the female commentators at Faux News. I think Mccain can attest to that.

I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long.
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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2012 :  09:07:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
zzydeco, if you consider the ultra-rich, like say, oh, Biden, Romney, Ted Turner, etc, then yes, they may be guilty of the alleged crimes. However, to the 99rs, ANYONE making over a million a year is a 1 percenter. I happen to work for someone who falls in this category. I have watched him pour his heart and soul into building a business, starting with him and his brother-in-law, operating from his kitchen table, into a multi-million dollar a year operation, operating throughout the US and Puerto Rico, employing 75 people. On paper, he makes a lot of money, but he has to generate $10,000 to take home $1000. He is comfortable, but far from "rich". He provides good pay and benefits for his people, and treats them very well. Now, if your boy's Health care plan goes into effect, the insurance plan that we have will be lost. Why? Because under that plan, it is more cost effective for him to drop our insurance, and pay the penalties! We will then be forced to get on the government insurance plan, with less coverage, not to mention that then the government controls all aspects of our health care! Then there is my case. Under Obamas plan to pay for the health care act, all household making over $200,000 a year would pay more taxes, because your idiot-in-command believes that that represents "rich" people. WRONG! I would venture to say that there are a lot of families out there in that category that are barely keeping themselves afloat, but then they don't have your financial acumen as you have pointed out before, so that is probably their own fault, not because the government keeps stealing their money to buy democratic votes.As far as the protesters, there may be a small percentage that have a legitimate gripe, but many of them are simply people who want something given to them, many are "chronically unemployed" ie, homeless, drug users, etc, and many of them are PAID by liberal organizations such as ACORN, or whatever they are calling themselves these days. As to Sara, what is it about her that scares you so much? Granted, she ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she does advocate fiscal common sense, and personal responsibility. What about that scares you so much? Finally, you obviously aren't a FOX fan, so do you blindly gulp down all of the Kool-aid that CNN and MSNBC serve up? I would hope that you can recognize propaganda, regardless of the flavor.

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zzydeco
Senior Member

USA
522 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2012 :  10:00:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My comments refer to the super rich. Latest figures show the average yearly income of the 1% is 14 millions. Even under the Dems tax plan the bottom bracket is 1 million as you stated. I bet your boss pays less taxes that most of us. If not, he needs a better accountant. Here is a tidbit I found.

When you look at the disparity in net worth, things look even more skewed. Wealthier Americans have assets — in home equity, stocks and other investments — that generally outstrip their cash income. Average wealth of the top 1 percent was almost $14 million in 2009, according to a 2011 report from the Economic Policy Institute. That’s down from a peak of $19.2 million in 2007.

By contrast, the poorest households were experiencing declines in net worth even before the recession hit. In 2007, the bottom 20 percent of households had an average (negative!) net worth of –$13,800 in 2007, which fell further to –$27,200 in 2009. Altogether, “average wealth of the bottom 80 percent was just $62,900 in 2009 — a dropoff of $40,900 from 2007,” EPI writes. That means the wealthiest 1 percent held an average of 225 times the wealth of the average median household in 2009 — a ratio that was 125 in 1962.

Interestingly, just as Occupy Wall Street is bringing their grievances about this growing gap to a broader public, the Democratic Party is re-adjusting it’s definition of “rich.” As my colleague Lori Montgomery reports, Senate Democrats have ditched President Obama’s plan to raise taxes on households who have more than $250,000 a year for a proposal to tax those who earn more than $1 million a year. Those who have a household income of $250,000 wouldn’t fall in the top 1 percent. But those who have incomes of more than $1 million would.

Any presidential contender that does not know basic world geography scares the hell out of me. The gift of gab does not make a competent president. GW is the prime example of that. Have you seen the movie about her vetting or lack of for VP? That should scare you.

I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long.
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Lookidat
Senior Member

USA
599 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2012 :  10:33:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
zzydeco, your stats and research are impressive. I don't know what my boss pays in personal taxes, but I know that his business, his livelihood, pays huge corporate taxes. That equates to him making less money, and less money available to fund employee benefits, and bonuses. There is a direct correlation between the profit margin of a corporation, and the health of that corporation, and by extension, the quality of compensation that ultimately reaches the employees, of which he is one. When Obama talks about "rich corporations", he is still talking about those people who are employed by those corporations. For instance, a mega-corp holds say, a half dozen corporations. Each one of those corporations must show a profit to be of value to the mother corporations. If their overhead costs go up because they have to adapt Obamacare, and because as "rich corporations" they have to pay higher taxes, while at the same time, profits are down due to a depressed economy, then who is going to suffer? The employees! The only option they have is to reduce the work force, or reduce the compensation of the existing work force. But not to fear! The UNION will step in and fight them tooth and nail to protect their cash cow, that is the dues paying members. After all, the union leaders (Super Rich) have to protect their own interests. So yet another company becomes insolvent, goes out of business, and now all those employees are out of work.

I hope you are correct about the $250,000 mark, but I haven't heard anything about it. If you can reference an article, I would appreciate it.

As for Sarah, you seem to have all the answers. So if I put you in front of a bank of cameras, under the pressure of intense scrutiny, and gave you a test on geography, science, or anything other subject, you are going to score 100? I don't remember most of the cr@p I supposedly learned in school, does that mean I am incompetent? NO, (although there are plenty of other indicators) I would point out that the Democratic congresswoman from Arizona who was shot, during a committee meeting with top military commanders, asked a 3-star general if while we were waging a war in Iraq, were we doing so in a "green" manner, sensitive to environmental concerns!! Or how about the democratic congressman who asked a general if there was a concern that if we put too many troops on a base in Guam, wouldn't that possibly make the island sink!! Then there is the daily amazement of watching Pelosi and Wasserman talk about stuff that they do not have a clue about. Yet, you can't tolerate Sarah because she missed a geography question! No, you can blow smoke all you want. She scares you and other liberals because she advocates fiscal and personal responsibility, ideas that democrats find repulsive, because it eliminates their ability pander to large segments of their constituency.

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zzydeco
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Posted - 06/07/2012 :  12:29:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have never argued that stupid people do not get elected to office from both parties. I think they reflect the makeup of the population in general. Sarah Palin's "ideas" are just feel good drivel for the K-Aid crowd. She does not have a clue about implementing those ideas or the cause/effect that those ideas may have on the economy. I'm for lower taxes but not if I dont have a road to drive on.
Regarding your bosses income. Taxes are paid on net income after all deductions and exclusions. So if you boss in netting a million dollar a year great for him but if he is paying less taxes than you I have a problem.

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