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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
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 Posted - 06/11/2012 : 11:31:16 AM
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I have posted before about the Ford 6.0 diesels that were junk, but I have a follow-up story to it. Foolish me, I saw the problems with the 6.0 systems, and decided to get rid of mine before I had the same problems. Smart, Right? Only problem is, being a hardcore Ford fan, and because Ford had not taken any bail-out money, I bought an 08' F250. As time went by, I started hearing about similar issues with these trucks as well, but I was assured that they had worked out the problems. Last week my buddy's F250 died on him at 120,000 miles, and $4,000 later, he was back on the road. This was the final straw, and I started looking for a new truck. Then, this weekend, my wife and daughter took the truck to Starkville, and enroute, they began to have the same problems. They managed to get to the Ford dealership in Starkville, and leave the truck there, then had to rent a car to get home. Keep in mind that we only had 88,000 miles on the truck! I guess Ford doesn't need a bailout, as long as they keep $cr&win their customers like this. I should have seen it coming, when the High-Pressure oil pump went out at 40k miles I guess. Moral of the story: If you own one of these clunkers, it is not IF you will have a catastrophic failure, but WHEN! I guess that Dodge or Chevy will be getting my business from now on. If anyone from Ford reads this, I challenge you to defend these trucks, and your company's callous attitude toward the victims.
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JOHN C
Advanced Member
USA
2665 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2012 : 3:38:28 PM
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G. M. C.---ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Castelluccio, Jr.
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
6855 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2012 : 6:54:06 PM
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also Richard if a person does not drive alot and I mean about 3,000 to 4,000 miles a month. you do not need a diesel. I have said this many times the only reason to purchase a diesel is fuel economy. the fuel is now more expensive than gas. plus a 454 chevy will out pull one in a new york second.
when i die bury me deep, put a bucket of bait at my feet, put a rod and reel in my hand and i will fish my way to the promised land !!!! remember we did not inherit these resources from our parents, we are merely borrowing them from our children |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 07:17:47 AM
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Yea Ed, when we bought the diesel, it was cheaper than gas. Now, there is no advantage to having a diesel. They don't last any longer than a gas burner, and if you have to replace an engine, you can replace a gas for less than half the price of a diesel. We spent the afternoon yesterday looking at Chevys and Dodges. Still haven't ruled out a Ford gas burner, but they are gonna have to really make it attractive for me to go there. Also, since she got her little two-seater for commuting, the truck only moves when there is a trailer needing pullin.
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Secret Formula
Average Member
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 07:53:52 AM
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GM is the only way to go. Those Triton engines are junk. FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily
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fishaholic82
New Member
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 6:53:39 PM
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I won't ever waste my money on another GM product ever again. I don't drive diesels but I have had enough problems with their gas vehicles to not want to give them another penny. I have an F-150 FX2 with the ecoboost and it pulls great but if you have to have a 250 I'd look into the F-250 with the new gas V-8. I have a few friends that went that route since the diesel is an extra $10,000 and one in particular pulls his 24'Robalo with no problems.He said he averages 10mpg while pulling the boat, 14mpg in town, and 17mpg on the highway.
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 09:49:26 AM
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Thanks Fishaholic. We have looked at all of the major 3/4 ton brands. Understand that this is my wife's truck, and she is very specific about what she wants. (it has to be red, and "look like a manly truck"!) She didn't like the Dodge cause it didn't look manly enough. She liked the Chevy, but with 4x4 package, the tailgate is chest high on her. She really likes the Fords because they have the "Geezer Gate" step. We will probably end up with the gas burner F250, in the Lariat Package. (After all, she HAS to have leather, and lots of bells and whistles!) You know what they say, "If Momma ain't happy, ain't NOBODY happy!" So, at this point, I am mostly a spectator. I'll let you know what we, that is, she decides on.
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
6855 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 5:08:18 PM
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well always remember this Diesel engines are not nearly as powerful as gasoline engines. cubic inch for cubic inch the gas burner will whip a diesel any day of the week. I used to have a chevy 427 twin screw tractor with 4 speed and a dog, i had more than one friend lose a bet by trying to out pull me with a cummings 350
when i die bury me deep, put a bucket of bait at my feet, put a rod and reel in my hand and i will fish my way to the promised land !!!! remember we did not inherit these resources from our parents, we are merely borrowing them from our children |
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Geaux_Coastal
Advanced Member
USA
716 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 11:45:45 AM
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Got a 2004 F250 gas burner with the V-10. Love it! Almost 140K and still going strong. More important than the ability to tow 12.5K on hitch, it can stop it too!
It is never too late to have a happy childhood!
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 2:35:25 PM
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On the advise of the Ford salesman, I fired off a letter to Ford Motor Company, outlining all of the issues that I have had with them, going all the way back the a Bronco I had 15 years ago. He suggested that I point out everything to them, and challenge them to "make it worth my while" to purchase another Ford. Probably won't work, but what the heck, can't hurt. Meanwhile, the salesman called and said that he probably can't find exactly what she wants, and may require that we custom order it.
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bigtdaman
Average Member
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 3:29:45 PM
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My brother and i have a towing/auto/body shop. We have 3 2011 F450 wheel lift tow trucks and 1 07 f650 rool back flat bed.In April my red f450 spun a bearn.We took it to A Ford dealer here in the city we were told it was caused from not changing the oil and it will not be coverd by warraunty.The new motor is $16,000.oo. We gave them all the maitinence records and told agane that it will not be coverd.....
I called them to day and we are putting in an apeal and find out on 6/22/2012 what will happen then.
I FISH THEREFOR I AM!!!!!! |
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
6855 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 4:20:20 PM
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Tommy, you need to get a lawyer to write a letter to them. With today's corporate Attorneys getting paid $250 to $500 per hour, they might just fix it.
when i die bury me deep, put a bucket of bait at my feet, put a rod and reel in my hand and i will fish my way to the promised land !!!! remember we did not inherit these resources from our parents, we are merely borrowing them from our children |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 10:15:53 AM
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bigtdaman, what engine was in your 450? I assume it wasn't the 6.7 they put in the 250's.
Well as I suspected, we got the cold shoulder from Ford. However, my wife is set on another F250. We tried to order a gas burner, and the salesman did everything short of outright refusing till he finally started putting together the order. Then we discovered that Ford does not offer 20" wheels on the gas 250's. (Another one of the wife's demands) BUT, they do offer them on the diesel 250's. Here is the catch. We can buy a gas burner, and then buy 20" wheels and swap them out, at a cost of approximately $6k, or, if we buy a diesel, they come on it. The price difference between a gas and a diesel? About $6k! What a coincidence! Of course we got the song and dance about how the new diesels are built by Ford and "bullet proof". At this point I am having to negotiate with the salesman AND the wife, as she goes all over the map with options, so, I did the only smart thing. I stood up, told them both that I was out of the process, and then told my wife: "Dear, you buy what you want, and pay whatever you want for it, because I want you to be happy." As I type this, she is trying to drag me back into the decision-making process, but I am holding firm. I want no part of it either way. I simply smile and say "Yes Dear".
Sorry if I went on a rant here, this cr&p is about to drive me up a wall, I needed to vent. Stay Tuned for further developments.
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
6855 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 12:36:09 PM
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Richard, they are all the same engines, just different gear ratios and rear ends. also why 20 inch rims??
when i die bury me deep, put a bucket of bait at my feet, put a rod and reel in my hand and i will fish my way to the promised land !!!! remember we did not inherit these resources from our parents, we are merely borrowing them from our children |
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Chris V
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 9:49:09 PM
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Tell your wife my Red 2000 F-250 4WD with 248K on the clock isn't for sale. Bought it new in February of 2000 with the 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel.
FORD had a good thing with that engine (made by Navistar) but has been s*cking hind teet with the 6.0, 6.4 and 6.7 engines.
The race for torque to satisfy the percieved consumer demand for it is what is hog tying dependability and crippling MPG. My 12yo truck gets better MPG then the newer trucks ad does what I neet it to do with 250HP adn 500 ft#'s of torque all day long.
Would I like to have double that on demand? You Betcha! But not at an average of 30% less economy all day long when I don't need it to go from stop light to stop light. Consider this. When was the last time you had your foot into the throttle 3/4's of the way for more than an 1/4 of a mile?
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bigtdaman
Average Member
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 11:07:22 AM
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6.7 I tlaked to sevrice and was told we have a good shot at it being fixed .Ford is sending down a guy to look at the motor to see who is at fault. will see what happens next?????quote:
Originally posted by Lookidat
bigtdaman, what engine was in your 450? I assume it wasn't the 6.7 they put in the 250's.
Well as I suspected, we got the cold shoulder from Ford. However, my wife is set on another F250. We tried to order a gas burner, and the salesman did everything short of outright refusing till he finally started putting together the order. Then we discovered that Ford does not offer 20" wheels on the gas 250's. (Another one of the wife's demands) BUT, they do offer them on the diesel 250's. Here is the catch. We can buy a gas burner, and then buy 20" wheels and swap them out, at a cost of approximately $6k, or, if we buy a diesel, they come on it. The price difference between a gas and a diesel? About $6k! What a coincidence! Of course we got the song and dance about how the new diesels are built by Ford and "bullet proof". At this point I am having to negotiate with the salesman AND the wife, as she goes all over the map with options, so, I did the only smart thing. I stood up, told them both that I was out of the process, and then told my wife: "Dear, you buy what you want, and pay whatever you want for it, because I want you to be happy." As I type this, she is trying to drag me back into the decision-making process, but I am holding firm. I want no part of it either way. I simply smile and say "Yes Dear".
Sorry if I went on a rant here, this cr&p is about to drive me up a wall, I needed to vent. Stay Tuned for further developments.
I FISH THEREFOR I AM!!!!!! |
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Chris V
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/23/2012 : 1:20:34 PM
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The Service Managers have their hands tied on some things. When my truck was about six months old I noticed the front drivers side sat about 1 1/2" lower than the passenger side adn took it into the dealer.
They took it into the shop and gave me a ride back to the office. A few hours later they called adn said they replaced the spring. Well, when I went in to pick it up I could see that the spring design was different from the stock one.
I asked the Service Manager to change the other one to the newer upgraded design but he said he couldn't because technically there was nothing wrong with it. I told him I was concerned about the possible difference in handling and tire wear with two different springs and said there must be someone we can talk to about it.
We went into his office and he called the Regional Engineer. About 30 seconds into the call the engineer interrupted and said to change the other spring.
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 07:36:33 AM
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Ed, what can I say? 20" tires because that is what she has on her current truck, and she likes them. I guess size matters to her! There is no trying to reason with the woman. She has her mind set that she wants the truck a specific way, and that is the way it is going to be. Ya know what they say; "If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy"!
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 2:49:18 PM
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Should ya'll hear of me killing my wife in a few years, just want you to know why. She just ordered a new Diesel F250, loaded. It is currently in Granada, to be delivered to Gulfport. So if any of you see a brand new, fire-engine-red F250 Lariat southbound on 55, do me a favor and run him off a cliff! I can then have an alibi!
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bigtdaman
Average Member
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 4:41:40 PM
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well the ford guy told us that the oil changing was good for mileage . BUT the running time hour clock we missed 6 oil changes.Now we have to buy a motor @ $13,000.oo. We gave the OK now they tell us that the turbo charger is out WTF....the part to fix it is $2,800.oo
My brother whent off on the service manager when they told him this.
Will see what will happen next!!!
I FISH THEREFOR I AM!!!!!! |
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ed mcintyre
Administrator
USA
6855 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 8:40:25 PM
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428 cobrajet and put a supercharger on it
when i die bury me deep, put a bucket of bait at my feet, put a rod and reel in my hand and i will fish my way to the promised land !!!! remember we did not inherit these resources from our parents, we are merely borrowing them from our children |
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Frank Martin
Average Member
USA
300 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2012 : 7:05:25 PM
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
599 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 08:33:23 AM
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bigt, sorry to hear about your troubles. Sounds to me like they are using loopholes to avoid their responsibility. I would consider getting a lawyer involved.
Update: My wife bought a Ford 250 DIESEL again! It went against every fiber in my body, but ya know what they say; if momma ain't happy..... This thing has everything possible, including heated AND air conditioned seats. The good news is, she primarily uses it for pulling her horses, so it mostly sits idle. I made it clear that if this one turned out to be a lemon, it is all on her.
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