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Lookidat
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 Posted - 06/20/2012 : 11:27:38 AM
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Obuma has officially declared himself America's first Dictator. When our elected congress refuses to pass laws that he wants, he simply bypasses them with a presidential declaration. When his cronies get into hot water, he simply exerts executive privilege. So much for transparency. The same people who would want Bush's head on a stake if he had tried this, are content to let it go when their boy does it. zzydeco, SURELY you have to be outraged by the last few days actions. If not, please explain why not. The man needs to be impeached, and tried for treason.
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zzydeco
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/20/2012 : 2:17:45 PM
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“In politics, everyone regards themselves as a moderate, because they know some other sumb**** who's twice as crazy as they are.”
¯ Timothy B. Tyson, Blood Done Sign My Name: A True Story
I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long. |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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599 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2012 : 3:57:06 PM
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Gotta admit, that's pretty deep zzydeco. I like it. However it doesn't answer the question. What are your feelings on the latest actions of your president? (Amnesty for illegals, and the use of executive privilege in the F&F situation)
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zzydeco
Senior Member
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522 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 08:09:14 AM
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With all due respect Lookidat, I have decided to smash my head into a brick wall instead of trying to influence your point of view about politics. I think I would have better chance with the brick wall so Im going fishing.
I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long. |
Edited by - zzydeco on 06/21/2012 09:52:31 AM |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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599 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 09:53:43 AM
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I agree that you are never going to turn me into a liberal, and I sure as heck ain't gonna bring you over to "the dark side". I simply enjoy hearing liberals try and justify every move that Obama makes. It appears to me that liberals do not care at all if he stomps on the constitution, invades your privacy, or breaks every campaign promise he made, as long as he keeps pandering to their chosen "cause celebe". I bet that had George Bush covered up for his AG in a case where his actions caused the death of a law officer, not to mention hundreds of Mexican civilians, or simply bypassed congress to make his own law, or ordered that drones be used to spy on AMERICANS, you would have been at the front of the line screaming for his head on a stake, yet when Obuma does it, it is perfectly acceptable. Look, I don't particurely care for Romney either, but he sure can't do any worse than our current Dictator.
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JOHN C
Advanced Member
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2681 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 11:25:14 AM
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RICHARD...Sam's Club had a big sale on Kool-Aid over the weekend...I wonder what flavor 'they' switched to from original grape?!?! John Castelluccio, Jr.
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
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zzydeco
Senior Member
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 12:20:30 PM
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I dont of think myself as a liberal or conservative. My opinion is based on what facts I can gleam from the spin of both ends of the discussion. I dont think Obama is the most evil president we ever had and I dont think Reagan is the most worderful president we ever had. As usual the truth falls somewhere in between. for example, yesterday they release some additinal memos from 911 and it turns out GW received 11 CIA reports warning that Bin Laden was going to attack us. Condelissa Wright took the hit by saying only one memo was ever shared and she never told the president. That to me is proof that there was an agenda to get us into an illegal war. That is treason of the worst kind.
I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long. |
Edited by - zzydeco on 06/21/2012 12:31:45 PM |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 1:01:44 PM
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I too do not consider myself either, but I admit to leaning right. I do not have any info to refute your info about Bush receiving reports, but for the sake of argument, and because you are obviously better researched than I, I will concede that this probably happened. However, Clinton ALSO received these reports, and took no action other than firing off a couple of missiles. Now assuming that Bush did know, had he tried to take pre-emptive action, the liberals would have accused him of starting a war for political reasons. He had no choice but to wait and react, either way, he would be blamed. Now, when we DID go to war, it was done, as I am sure you understand, by an ACT OF CONGRESS. The president cannot engage our troops without a congressional vote. As I recall, a lot of democrats voted "YEA" in that vote, and if memory serves correctly, Pelosi and Hillary were among them. (I'm sure you will fact-check me, so let me know if I am incorrect) Anyway, when the war got tough, as wars will do, all of the democrats suddenly lost their heart for the fight, along with their spines, and started accusing Bush of getting us into a war, whilst forgetting that THEY were active participants. When at war, the home front is just as critical as the trenches, and as soon as the cowardly democrats started undermining the administration, they set into motion the seeds of defeat. As a soldier in the trenches, how can I believe in my mission, if my leaders can't decide from day to day whether or not they have the heart for the fight? Now before you consider me a "hawk" let me correct you. I have a personal stake in the war in Afghanistan, and my stance is this: We did a good thing going in there, and into Iraq, however, what we did was akin to wading into a den of rattlesnakes to rescue a garter snake. We have given those people a chance to escape the yoke of tyranny, and done so at a terrible price. However, it is time we get out, and let them live or die on their own accord. Any soldier over there will tell you that the minute we leave, the country is going to implode, unless those people do what early Americans did, and stand up and retake their country.
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 3:15:01 PM
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John C, there ain't no tellin! In the interests of being fair and balanced, I must say that there are Kool Aid swiggers on both sides of the aisle. (I personally can't stand to listen to O'Reilly)I am simply offering the liberal-leaning persons here a chance to defend what appears to be to be indefensible. Obama is, or already has done many of the many things that liberals accuse Bush of, yet, as long as it is a Democrat doing it, they seem to have no problem with it. Case-in-point: Obama just authorized the MILITARY to use drones, to SPY ON AMERICANS. Now, I really don't know if that is a good or bad thing, but had Bush done it, there would have been open revolt in this country, yet because Obuma did it, it barely even rates a news story, and the liberals have no problem with it.
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JOHN C
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 9:15:01 PM
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Yup, Bush caused the then Democratic-Majority House and Senate to make wrong decisions!
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
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marco
Average Member
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308 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 11:27:14 PM
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@Lookidat,
Treason of the worst kind is sending 4,500+ US troops to their death for a war that was based on fabricated lies. Oh, and lets not forget the 32,000+ injured soldiers that also paid the price for that presidential treason. Presidents are supposed to avenge America for attacks on our on soil like 9/11. Bush didn't. Obama did.
Regarding Iraq, the Iraqi people never asked us to send our troops to invade them. Great patriotic troops were sent to a worthless war.
Regarding Democrats being weak on national defense and war. Here are some additional facts Republicans duly ignore.
World War I - Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)
World War II - Theodore Roosevelt (Democrat) Harry Truman (Democrat)
Dropped first Atomic Bomb - Harry Truman (Democrat)
Take stand against Soviet Union @ Cuban missile crisis - John F. Kennedy (Democrat)
Take out top Al Qaeda leader and most of its leadership - Obama (Democrat)
Name ONE epic Republican presidential accomplishment? I wouldn't count the first Gulf War as it was lopsided like a couple hundred countries against one (Iraq).
Hmm... Lookidat, I thought we had that debate on illegal immigration before. What happened? Amnesia?
Back in 1986 good ole Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3+ million illegals. Bush pushed for a more liberal immigration policy than Obama. Here is my favorite fact. Obama has deported more illegals than any other previous administration.
Obama uses executive privilege for the first time. OK, how does that compare with Bush Jr who used it six times?
While you digest this, I will consider banging my head against a brick wall too......
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 08:40:26 AM
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Once again, I will point out. Bush, nor any other president, can send our troops into battle on their own. It was done on a vote by congress, a vote that was supported by MANY prominent democrats. Also, the National Security Committee, consisting of both parties, had access to the available intelligence, and agreed with Bush. At various times, Clinton, Pelosi, and several others all went on record as saying that Iraq had WMD's, and that the US would not just stand by. Then when the war got dirty, the spineless democrats bailed, and started attacking Bush, conveniently forgetting that they had supported it.
I won't try and argue history about other presidents, because frankly, I ain't smart enough. I will say that I believe that Kennedy was probably one of the strongest presidents we have had, and not many could have handled the crisis as well as he.
As far as Obuma taking out Bin Laden and others, this was simply a matter of timing. Surely you don't believe that Bush passed up on any chance to take him out?! OBAMA DID NOT TAKE OUT BIN LADEN, SEAL TEAM 6 DID! They did it based on years of intelligence part of which was obtained by interrogation techniques that Obuma was so critical of. All Obuma had to do was give the green light, and ANYBODY would have done that. He just happened to be in the office when the opportunity arose. During the Mersk Alabama situation, the Navy was under orders to stand down, because Obuma couldn't work up the guts to make the call. Then when the Seals did what they are trained to do, that is take control of a situation, then Obuma's PR team went into high gear to try and put all of the glory on him. He is a shameless opportunistic egomaniac.
Illegal Immigration? I am not sure that either party has a solution, or will get one anytime soon, for fear of alienating the Hispanic vote. I do know that as a taxpayer, I want our laws enforced, ALL of them, and Obama picks and chooses which ones will be enforced based on what is politically convenient at the time.
Executive Privilege? In most cases, when it is used, it is politically motivated, and this is no exception. The problem is, it is supposed to be used in the interests of National Security. In this case, it is being used to suppress documents that Obuma allegedly never saw??. The sole purpose of this is to protect Holder, because he has been lying all along. If they are telling the truth, why not release the documents? For the record, I did not like it when Bush used it either. Again, political purposes.
So you and others seem to have no problem with anything that the great messiah does. If Bush had allowed our military the freedoms to spy on Americans that Obuma has, there would have been open revolt, yet you seem perfectly fine with it. If Bush had simply bypassed congress and created law directly contrary to the wishes of congressional constituents, there would have been calls for impeachment, yet, when Obuma does it, he is a "great leader".
I would point out that Obuma has broken virtually every campaign promise he made, and continued virtually every Bush program that he attacked as a candidate 4 years ago. In addition, he has set civil rights back 50 years. (I refer you to the cop/professor incident) There is more racial division now than ever, because he has resorted to the "us against them" mentality to build his base of support. Now, he has no record to run on, so he simply resorts to attacks on his opposition.
Obuma is an embarrassment to this country, and eventually, history will show that he was the worst president in our history, and did more to damage this country than any other single individual.
Again, for the record, I am not a huge Romney fan, but he is a huge improvement over Obuma. Herman Cain, where are you when we need ya?
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zzydeco
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 10:23:09 AM
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I agree with you that all of congress voted for the war. But it was based on a LIE. Cheney was manipulating the intelligence to hide the truth. Not even Collin Powell was trusted with the truth. Cheney played the intelligence like a violin. Would congress have voted for the war based on the truth? Even some of the Republicans would have a problem if they had known they had been lied to all along. Sadly, some of them would still have voted for the war. It's that integrity thingy. You state all the things Obama has done or not done. I gave you a link to FactCheck in a prior posting. You spout the conservatives talking points at nauseum and then want me to prove you wrong. Let's try something completely different, Factcheck your statements before you post them as facts. then your postings would be a couple of sentences at most.
I promise I will give you the source link to any statements I make from now on. Live long and fish.
I don't have a bucket list but my f-ucket list is a mile long. |
Edited by - zzydeco on 06/22/2012 2:18:40 PM |
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marco
Average Member
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 10:50:22 PM
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@Lookidat
While Congress may authorize the declaration of war, it is the Commander in Chief who decides when we should go to war and makes the request to Congress. Congress does not decide who we invade. The President does and it is all part of the checks and balances between the government branches. I paid attention when Civics was being taught in school.
Regarding the Iraq WMD intelligence, Bush and Cheney influenced the CIA and the reports they provided. Since the WMD reports were "inflated and manipulated", then of course anybody with common sense would say there was a valid reason for invading Iraq when Bush knew all along that there wasn't. Our own military could not find not one shred of proof of WMDs.
Regarding the Navy Seals taking out Bin Laden, the military cannot conduct any operation without the proper authorization. The Commander in Chief grants that. The President, as the Command in Chief, decides who and when. The President is a Commander and not an operator so saying the President wasn't the one who actually killed Bin Laden is childish. Obama promised in his campaign that he would make Bin Laden his top priority and would go into Pakistan after him if needed. He made through on that promise. A promise kept that resonated well with 9/11 survivors and the victims' families. Americans cheered when that happened. How many Americans cheered when we invaded Iraq?
Americans wanted justice for 9/11. Bush had almost eight years to go after Bin Laden. Obama did it in less than four. Bush, on the other hand, cared more about going after the dictator who attempted to assassinate his father in Kuwait. Bush himself said that Bin Laden was no longer a high priority. Note very carefully that NOBODY in Iraq asked us to invade their country. Americans wanted justice for 9/11 and that justice happened under Obama's watch. Not Republican Bush.
Regarding spying on American citizens, any recent intrusive spying on US citizens by the military or law enforcement gets its authority from the USA Patriot Act. Want to guess under which administration that invasive law was passed?
BTW, Herman Cain is too busy doing things such as chasing women.... Yep, we should vote for somebody who believes in 999 or was it really 666 that he was referring to?
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:11:35 AM
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marco,
Nobody will ever know the complete truth about WMD's,but it is a fact that he (Hussein) used them on his own people. Regardless, he CLAIMED to have them at various times, and throughout the negotiations, he led the world to believe he had them, and that he would use them. If he was bluffing, then it blew up in his face.
As far as Obama "getting Obama". It is just as childish to believe that Bush had the chance to get him, and didn't take it. "getting" Obama was the result of YEARS of intelligence gathering. As I said before, Obama just happened to be sitting in the Oval office when the opportunity presented itself. To believe anything else is pure liberalism blind allegiance. By his own account, Obama wrestled with the decision to go ahead with the mission. Why? Because he was worried about the political repercussions should the mission not go well. That was, and always will be, Obama's main concern, political impact. By the way, all of the intelligence gathered at the scene indicates that Obama was in fact, a "has-been" in the day to day operations. Just sayin.
The Patriot Act is a perfect example. When Bush implemented the Patriot Act, liberals, including Pelosi, went crazy, screaming about the intrusion of government into private citizen's lives. Yet, when Obama authorizes the military to actively spy on, and gather personal information about citizens, it is perfectly ok. And the liberal media hardly mentions it. Talk about a double standard!
Herman Cain casing women? That is why you liberals don't like him?? I guess that here again, it is okay for liberals to chase skirts as long as they keep the entitlements coming. Remember our "first black president" Slick Willy Clinton? Or how about Edwards and his babymomma, of course, while his wife was battling cancer, or even "the greatest president of our time" Kennedy? For you, or any other liberal to claim that Cain's ALLEGED discrepancies would disqualify him is hypocracy at it's greatest! And I guess it was coincidence that the accuser just happened to live in the same building as Obama's chief adviser! That was a classic example of Chicago politics at it's finest!
Liberals scream about free speech and personal liberties, as long as you are saying what they want to hear, and the personal liberties they are after affect them. They remind me of soiled little kids who, when they lose at a game, they want to take their ball and go home. I guess in a sense, conservatives are to blame for that though. After all, if a child is pampered, given whatever they want, and not forced to assume any responsibility, then the parent shouldn't be surprised when that child grows up to be a demanding, disrespectful, and irresponsible young adult.
What would be refreshing would be some brutal honesty on the part of liberals. For example:
" I vote democrat because I want the government to support me and my babies."
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"I vote democrat because, I think I should be able to do drugs, and whatever else I want to do, without repercussions."
or maybe
" I vote democrat because, I want all of the good things my neighbor has, but I don't want to work hard like he did for them."
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JOHN C
Advanced Member
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:55:33 AM
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Lookidat...overheard while in line at Home Depot just yesterday---
"Si, I vote democrat because I want to continue receiving FREE GOV'T. assitance (medical, education, food stamps, etc---via U.S. citizens' taxes.
I vote democrat so IF I DO PAY SOME income taxes (because I now have a I.T.I.N.)---I can claim false expenses AND child care (mi nephews, nieces, aunts, uncles ALL still in mexico) WHILE using mi amigos' house number-nobody checks.
I vote democrat because the gringos woll keep the borders open like a turnstile-so I can come and go and bring mi amigos.
I vote democrat so I can sue the U.S. government for violating mi civil rights even though I am a gang-banger, drug dealer and murderer.
"Juan"
ALMOST LOST IT LISTENING TO THESE IDIOTS TALKING AND LAUGHING...John Castelluccio, Jr.
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
Edited by - JOHN C on 06/25/2012 08:56:47 AM |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 09:40:04 AM
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One more thing marco,
Cain's "999" was, I believe, his plan for building the economy back up. I don't know the specifics, but at least he HAD A PLAN! Now Obuma is on record as saying that there is nothing wrong with the private sector, and he is advocating a "bottom's up" plan of recovery! Sure, every great financial rebirth in history started with the ditch-diggers! In truth, his "bottoms up" plan is that everyone at the bottom be entitled to go to the top and take from the the "rich". He is beyond clueless! He is delusional! I don't fault people for voting for him 4 years ago, as a whiplash to Bush, but he has had 4 years to do something, and has done nothing but squander taxpayer money on dysfunctional industries, and spend millions of dollars in lawsuits against states that are trying to do what he doesn't have the guts to do, because he is too busy pandering to every group that can garnish him a block of votes. And his only defense is to "Blame Bush" for everything. I believe that a lot of independents that supported him, have finally regained their senses, and his core support now consists of those people who are benefiting from one of his entitlement programs. In other words, he is using MY tax dollars to buy their loyalty.
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marco
Average Member
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 11:11:01 PM
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@Lookidat
The Iraqis including Saddam knew the truth about the WMDs and so did Bush. Saddam torturing his own people was not our problem. We have enough of our own issues to worry about. Isn't responsibility what Republicans always preach?
Obama got Bin Laden because he put more effort into it then Bush did. It is that simple. Success is the result of effort and priority. Anything else is BS and whining. Obama comtemplated the GO/NO GO for the mission because it was high risk, we had not notified the Pakistanis, and the last thing we needed is a military confrontation with them and not to mention the safety of the troops involved in the mission. Obama probably put more thought and consideration in that decision than Bush did for the entire Iraqi invasion since, as we all know, he ignored the advice of his own military leaders.
Iraqi WMD invasion under Bush = FAILURE
Avenge 9/11 for USA under Obama = SUCCESS
We all know skirt chasing Clinton had no morals. So why repeat the same stupid mistake Herman Cain? That not only speaks of Herman Cain's low IQ but of all the Republicans for trying to nominate him in the first place. Furthermore, what is really sad is that Hermain serves as an Associate Minister at a Baptist church in Altanta preaching morality and then does the opposite. At least Clinton didn't go around trying to be "Holier than thou". Stupid is as stupid does as Gump would say.
@ John C
There were a bunch of illegals mostly from Mexico working on my home earlier this year. They replaced my roof with a new one. I despise illegals for coming here the wrong way. However, I despise MUCH MORE the pathetic Americans that hire them and give them jobs over other Americans and people who come here the right way. That is why they come here in the first place. Illegal immigration is an American problem. John C, do you want to guess the political affiliation of the American owner of the local roofing company that hired these illegals that worked on my house? C'mon John C, what political affiliation of people are most likely to hire illegals as cheap labor to work on farms and construction? What President gave the biggest amnesty to the illegals that you are complaining about? Don't see the connection between a President granting illegals amnesty and the desire by corporate america for cheap labor? Or do you need a slide rule to figure that out?
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:59:20 AM
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I am sure that if we go back and check, we could find questionable policies, actions or motives on every single president. For instance, Lincoln initially did not oppose slavery. He only freed the slave as a way to control the southern states, but I digress. My point is, let's talk about current events. Okay, Bush was a bad president. But Obama was elected on the promise to correct all of Bush's mistakes, and to bring "transparency" and "integrity " to the office of president. He has done none of that. In fact he has continued most Bush policies, or even expanded them. Forget about the transparency and integrity thing. Again, in the name of debate, let's say that Obama "got Bin Laden". You know as well as I do that ANYONE sitting in that office would have done the same thing, especially a "hawkish" republican. So that is a wash.
Truth is a president or candidate that would cheat on his wife wouldn't hesitate to cheat you and I, so yes, I consider personal integrity a desirable quality. The problem is that anyone seeking that office is at heart a mego-egomaniac. Clinton is a perfect example. That means that there are those candidates that have been caught cheating on their wives/taxes/resume, and there are those who haven't been caught, yet.
So what has Obama accomplished? He has rammed a defective health care program down the throats of a country, of which 55% do not want it, and the very people who are responsible for it, don't understand it. His first effort to spend his way out of dept was a complete failure, and what does he do? He smirks and says "I guess some things just weren't as shovel-ready as we thought." Now he proposes to try and do the same thing again! What is it they say about performing the same action and expecting different results? The end result is that he has increased our national dept more, and at a faster rate, that any other president in history. He has spent billions of dollars of our money on industries that went belly up, and why, because his big contributors were owners. Isn't this the same thing you accuse Bush of doing? He has appointed more czars than any other president. He has made numerous cabinet appointments while congress was not in session, so as to avoid their being able to vote on them. So much for that transparency thing. One of his cabinet members was the head of a local Public Employees Union that was so corrupt, and had direct connections to the mob that the FBI had to step in. This was done between sessions of congress so that they could not block it. Perhaps that is why Obama is so cozy with P.E. Unions, and why he gets so much money from them. Let's see, oh yea, he went on record as supporting gay marriage, something he had originally opposed. Can anyone say "flip-flop"? He has spent millions of dollars suing states that are trying to enforce FEDERAL LAWS that are on the books, to combat illegal immigration. Why did he make these two moves? For the same reason Lincoln freed the slaves. It was politically expedient for him, not because his core values pushed him to do it.
Now, 3 1/2 years into his term, he has accomplished nothing of consequence, except to blame Bush for all of his own shortcomings. He cannot run on his record, so the only thing left is to attack his opponent, and make up snappy campaign slogans.
As to the illegal workers, you are probably correct, statistically, the people hiring them are probably more conservative leaning. You know why? Because Conservatives/Republicans are, as you like to point out, the "1%" that have the money! They own the businesses! Isn't that what the liberals are fond of saying? It is the poor democratic worker who suffers, right? Seems to me that you should be demanding that we deport all of these illegals, since they are obviously stealing your job! Now, again, in the context of debate, allow me to "defend" the people hiring these illegals.
By and large, those guys that are standing in front of Home Depot are looking for work, ANY work. I am told that they also bust their humps and all they ask for is a paycheck, and are happy to have it. If they get hurt, they walk it off, and get back to work, cause if they don't they do not make any money. Now compare that to the Occupiers. They want a starting wage that would make the job nonprofitable for the business. They want insurance, and of course, they want the right to unionize. Should one of them break a fingernail, they want workman's comp, and 6 weeks recovery time. If you try to hire them at the wages that the illegals are making, or even more, they get indignant, and storm off to occupy something.
So marco, let's agree that Bush was a terrible president, in fact every republican president was a terrible president, and every democratic president till now was a gift from God. Okay, that is out of the way. Why should we give Obama another shot, based on his performance so far? |
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JOHN C
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 1:44:35 PM
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YES, marco---PRINT OUT THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THAT ROOFING COMPANY!!!
YOU ALWAYS ADD ASSUMPTIONS onto your statemnts, "probably, more likely, etc etc etc...
YOU P R O B A B L Y know  , just how much of the intel used by the
oblama administration was obtained during BUSH'S Adminisgtration???
John Castelluccio, Jr.
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
Edited by - JOHN C on 06/26/2012 1:49:56 PM |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 2:01:16 PM
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John, you missed it. marco already said that Bush gave up, and had nothing to do with us getting Bin Laden. As far as his assumptions about the roofing company; I believe it was he who called me out one time when I made the assumption that many of my previous patients when I was a medic were democrats. You are seeing another example of liberal freedom of speech. It is only freedom of speech if you are saying what they want to hear. Such as; "we are increasing your welfare payments." or "you don't have to take that drug test, the union will protect you." You wanna know how to shut a liberal up? Take away their ability to blame Bush. Without that, they are at a loss for words.
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drreb
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 2:46:33 PM
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| You know, there is enough blame to go around to both parties in this economy, war, stinking corrupt Washington mess. The is not a Dem or Repub issue but neither is it a completely liberal/conservative issue either. Listen people, there is nobody at the wheel in government today. Obama blames Bush, Bush blames Clinton, Clinton blames Monica, and so it goes on and on. My voting choice this year stinks to high heaven!!! Please oh God give me a man/woman who will stand up and just take the wheel and do the right thing for our country. STAND AND DELIVER, BE ACCOUNTABLE, TAKE THE BLAME IF IT GOES WRONG, TAKE THE CREDIT IF IT GOES BAD. Protect our borders and deliver the mail....then get the hell out of my business. Bring ALL troops home...TODAY. Leave a note stating that we will no longer send American soldiers to defend some other country, but if anyone messes with us, we simply send them a package via ICBM. We don`t have the money to keep policing the whole world and we shouldn`t even if we did. Nobody believes we will do what we say we will do anymore, and that is 99% of the problem. 1 ICBM, maybe 2, would create a calmness that would bring everybody to their senses. Drastic? Yep. Will it have to be done? Sooner or later, I think so. I hate to think so but yes there are people out there who just don`t understand just what a BIG STICK really is. |
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Lookidat
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 2:56:46 PM
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Great post drreb! I agree 100% I especially agree that we don't have a lot to choose from. I am not a fan of Romney, but I really believe that 4 more years of Obama, especially as a lame-duck president, will destroy this country. He fully intends to keep trying to spend his way out of debt, and we all know (or most of us do) that ain't gonna work.
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Outsideallthetime
Administrator
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 7:21:47 PM
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Hearing more and more positives for EXPATRIATION.........
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marco
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:45:38 PM
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John C,
I will give you the name, address, and phone number of that roofing company when you answer my previous question.
Stop beating around the "Bush"....lol
Lookidat, I have never said and will never say that any Democratic president is a gift from God or that they are even that great. Unfortunately, each four years we have to elect the lesser of two evils. That is my frame of debate. As drreb said, there is enough blame to go around. In my personal opinion, I think the Republican ideology has done more harm than good since it puts greed and corporate america first. Because of that, we are no longer first in many things.
We are bleeding jobs to cheap third world countries all in the name of profits for the 1%. What jobs aren't sent offshore, they hire illegals or H1B1 visa workers. I see it first hand in the technology field. I disagree with various Democratic ideals but even more with Republicans. I believe this country will be better off not having more extreme ideology around greed.
Regarding the illegals, hiring an illegal immigrant is a federal felony so I have NO SYMPATHY for any American or American business that hires one and then complains when these illegals bring in the rest of their relatives and start sucking up government benefits. Not only are you creating more immigration problems but you are also cheating tax revenue for this country and then have the guts to complain when the government has to resort to raising taxes to cover the benefits of people who are paid under the table and those Americans that are put out of work because of these illegals. These illegals will keep coming in as long as Americans keep giving them jobs. The blame for our huge illegal immigration problem isn't the fault of Mexico, Central America, the Carribean countries, or Asia. It is 100% the fault of the USA. We give them jobs, amnesty, and government benefits, leave the border wide open, and then wonder why they are here by the millions.
We don't need to deport them - just stop giving them jobs. Several states enacted laws to punish businesses more harshly for hiring illegals and the illegals left in droves. Cost to state for them leaving ? ZERO! Arizona's law for punishing businesses was challenged in the US Supreme Court and they won last year. (Not to be confused with current challenge in SCOTUS). This enabled Colorado, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia to enact theirs. Go after corporate america for hiring illegals, send the business owners and CEOs to jail, and confiscate their illegally obtained profits in the same way it is done with drug dealers. A crime is a crime.
When you give an illegal immigrant a job, you are breaking the law. On that same token, don't expect foreigners (illegals) to obey our immigration laws when we don't obey them ourselves.
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JOHN C
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 11:17:32 PM
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Think I will just probalby throw to all the narrow-minded, 'listen only to what I say' liberals some bread crumbs and WILL PROBALBY HEAR THEM ALL SAY..."Quack, Quack, Quack" NOT Aflac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Castelluccio, Jr.
3 out of 4 probably logical people here is good enough
OLDER SUV and house, STILL HAVE new boat-'06 Avenger, Semi-retired-'08, soon to get "new-wife" BUT MAY CHANGE MY MIND and THEN 'MIGHT NOT BE' in debt for the rest of my life! Now & 4-ever!!! Been a memeber on R&R since 09-21-1999 |
Edited by - JOHN C on 06/26/2012 11:18:19 PM |
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